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Airboat Study: Few surprises

rick

Administrator
By Terry Witt

The final report on a state airboat sound study has been released but provides only dry, scientific data and no surprises about what causes airboats to roar loudly.

Dr. Stewart Glegg of Florida Atlantic University's College of Engineering concluded, among other things, that engine and propeller noise are the two major contributors to airboat sound and adding engine exhaust mufflers always quieten the engine.

However, he said there is....

Here's the rest: http://www.chronicleonline.com/articles/2005/09/21/news/news50.txt
 
But, the way they get over it is to adopt the 90db at 50 foot rule which the state has authorized the counties to do.

The boats need to be quiet or there will eventually be no boats.

My .02

Jim
 
Matt,

I believe the state already has a law on the books that authorizes the counties to enact the 90db at 50 ft. It has proven to be difficult to enforce and has motivated the curfew and banning rules which are easy to enforce.

I think every 3db is double (or half):

sound_measurement.jpg


1db is also supposed to be the smallest change the human ear can detect.

Here is the whole report:

http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/~jw/dB.html#definition

edit: errors and add graph

Jim
 
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Hey gentelmen , Not rain on your harmones, but todays meeting no body won nothing . I couldnt stay long enought for the meat of things ,but it was just a costly thing for the tax payers, I think we out numbered the other side . I wish more of us was there, but know there is more important things out there ! Thanks to the people that showed! I was disapointed about both sides ! We cant wait until they tell us what to do ! That all I heard this morning we are going to wait and let them tell us what we need ! Fwc and others are trying to let us do our own fixing ,but some of us just to hard headed to see! We are making it their problem !please air boaters for every ones sakes Lets do this on our own ! Dont forget I live in a county that has ban on airboat s every where !Even if it not running !not even a trolling motor!
 
The problem with letting them tell you is that they may tell that you need NO BOAT.

Jim
 
Results are in, buy your mufflers buy good ones by June next year ! :D That not the end of this !Sort of a win . I know mood , you cool .
 
Sept. 21, 2005
CONTACT: Henry Cabbage (850) 528-1755

The Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission (FWC) today directed staff to draft a new policy that would require airboats to be equipped with mufflers. According to FWC’s Maj. Jim Brown, flex pipe alone no longer is acceptable to help reduce sound levels. The final hearing on the policy will be at the Commission’s Nov. 30 – Dec. 2 meeting in Key Largo.

Commissioners also want staff to hold an additional workshop with stakeholders to discuss implementing a muffler policy, written code of ethics and guidelines for courteous airboat operation. The FWC already has installed mufflers on all of its airboats and established guidelines for courteous airboat operation.

The decision to require mufflers on airboats came after a presentation today by Dr. Stewart Glegg, a researcher at Florida Atlantic University Engineering Department, whose group researched airboat sound and produced a report on its findings for the FWC. Other experts have reviewed the report, titled “Measurement and Characterization of Sound Generated by Airboats,� to ensure the study can stand up to public scrutiny and provide fully credible, objective and science-based solutions aimed at reducing airboat sound levels.

Currently, under Florida Statute 327.65, all vessels must be muffled effectively in a reasonable manner. The law also provides additional language that allows individual counties to restrict vessel sound to 90 decibels at 50 feet, but that is not a statewide requirement.

Both the propeller and the engine contribute to the sound airboats produce. At low revolutions per minute (rpm) the engine produces the most sound, but at higher rpms the loudest sound is from the propeller.

This report suggests that mufflers do reduce airboat sound levels at moderate operating speeds, but even muffled boats exceed 90 decibels at maximum throttle. However, airboat operators generally don’t run at maximum throttle for long periods.

Researchers examined sound levels produced from different styles of mufflers, including both exhaust and intake manifold mufflers, and differing propeller designs, operating speeds, and distances from an observer. They believe that each of these components, used together, could provide the needed “incremental improvements� to reduce airboat sound levels significantly.

Historically, most law enforcement agencies have accepted “flex pipe� (flexible tubing that diverts engine exhaust to behind the boat) as a reasonable device for muffling sound. It doesn’t muffle as effectively as a traditional muffler, but 20 years ago, nobody really complained since airboats generally ran in remote areas.

“However, times have changed, and the sound of airboats on lakes, rivers and wetlands has become a controversial subject in Florida in recent years,� Brown said. “Increased development in these areas, in part, has resulted in increased sound complaints from homeowners and outdoor enthusiasts.�

In 2003, the Florida Legislature considered a bill to restrict airboat sound levels statewide to 90 decibels at 50 feet. At the time, the Senate Natural Resources Committee amended the bill and proposed to give the FWC rulemaking authority to adopt a uniform municipal code to resolve the airboat sound issue.

However, instead of the bill moving forward, legislators asked the FWC to host public workshops to get citizen feedback about airboat sound and work out a non-regulatory solution to the problem. The agency hosted three such workshops in September 2003, and about 300 people attended and provided comments.

Although the meetings failed to produce any consensus on whether Florida needs new airboat sound laws, two proactive themes emerged: airboats should have effective mufflers, and air boaters should follow a code of ethics.

A subcommittee of the state’s Boating Advisory Council – a group appointed by the governor to advise the FWC and the Florida Department of Community Affairs on boating and waterway-related issues -- developed the Airboater Code of Ethics. The council is representative of the boating public, and the subcommittee included individuals from airboat manufacturers, personal watercraft industry, sportsmen groups, the boating public and an affected waterfront property resident.

The FWC is developing an outreach campaign to encourage airboaters to apply new and improved technology for quieting airboats. The campaign also will encourage changes in airboater attitudes and operating procedures to be sensitive to others who live around or share the waterways.




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The final hearing and rule adoption will be at the next meeting then I would expect 6 months grace period to install mufflers. Then the tickets start flowing like a river. A word of caution this is not the end it is the beginning there will be more coming in the future on sound reduction from the comission.

Big daddy suggested a quiet boat contest with the university doiing the testing and prizes and awards to go to the winners .. it was a well received idea.

Me.. I just suggested really big tickets for those who dont comply with the law of mufflers.. get thier wallets and their hearts will follow. mufflers are cheap and effective. no excuses.

The fact is like has been put on here if we dont get them quiet we wont have them at all. The anti-airboaters were nice enough and even had praise for the positive steps being taken and there was no big rowdy scene as anticipated by the comission or us. Everyone was well behaved with the exception of BIG DADDY LOL just kiddin even he was good.
 
My take on this meeting is that we HAVE EARNED RESPECT from FFWCC. Why? because we have accepted that changes need to be made due to Florida's evolution and rampant growth. We have worked within the system to achieve proposed regulations that all airboaters can live with and we have done that without any of our representatives loosing control. Great Job, Guys and Gals.

One of the antis was stopped dead in his tracks when I reminded him that "he had come to our airboats - our airboats had not come to him".

Regardless, cntry141iq's idea to have a fat fine for non-compliance may be our salvation. We all know airboaters who swear against mufflers under any circumstances - if the fine is somewhere around $100. - $150., then it will be cheaper to comply than to fight it.
 
BIG DADDY and others : That was the exact reasoning behind my statement to them. I believe they will implement the 6 months or so to get the mufflers on. Oh yeah I heard yetserday there is roughly 11,000 airboats registered in florida I can't quote the source because it was an overheard conversation between two people one of whom was with FWC.

We have got one chance to get this right lets don't blow it. All of the regulations against airboats always exempt government boats and contractors to the government. The FWC is being overly nice to make their boats comply with the sound rules. If we make them mad for no reason then I look for them to use that exemption for their boats and tear us a new one.

The props will be next probably not in the near future but it is coming. The FWC kept referring to making incremental changes and starting with mufflers. The sound guru told them mufflers were of little consequence at high RPM the prop was the factor. The FWC and gratefully so remained focused on the mufflers and not the prop but it will come to pass. The sound guy suggested a prop tip speed of mach 0.5 in order to be in compliance with 90db a 50'. That is gonna mean bigger pitch and slower speed props which will change the way we think of performance in airboats. It is possible to accomplish this and the next increment will be certified props from the manufacturer with certificates of compliance for operation on a particular vessel combination. That one is a ways off but it will come.

Now I still believe based on off the record conversations which no one saw me have with whomever it may have been that there will be areas set aside with minimal restrictions but if you want to run anywhere anytime there is going to be certain standards that must be met and documentation that must be shown on demand from the officers.

This is similar to the use of ATV'S at the present, you cant run an ATV anywhere you want to anytime you want to. There are areas set aside by the state with very few restrictions for them and those areas are quite popular with the ATV riders. They are looking to create more of those areas and if we are not able to get in compliance that is where we will be also ... in certain areas only. don't shoot me I am only the messenger and an un-official one at that but I know things and I know people, so remember you heard it here first.

Nothin set in cement yet but the trucks are rollin and they are loaded with lots of cement.

The opinions expresed herein are based on nothing but speculation, rumors and inuendos and no cemented facts were evaluated prior to making them.
 
The way to head off the expensive prop dilemma is for more airboaters to experiment with quieting THEIR props. If that can be accomplished and demonstrated, then the bureaucracy is thwarted.

The methods have been discussed on this board. As cntry has said, there is not much interest, YET.

Jim
 
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