Thanx bud. If I don't come up with one I might have to buy one. I quit hunting 6 years ago when my life long ( 40 + years ) hunting /fishing buddy passed away. I sold my guns and commercial meat saw and grinder. I am thinking about trying to do alittle this year and wanted to put about 100 lbs. of ground meat up for the year. I'm in no rush, so I do appreciate the offer. If you get time and are near goldhunter, stick a fire under his butt, and give him a shot of whiskey or something to help kill his pain so he can get something done. He's as bad off as me,and not nearly as old. Maybe the docs will get him to feeling better soon. My doc said the ball was in my court to cut me, so I ask him to run another series of cordizone to see if we could hold the pain down enought to get thru the holidays and then I would let him cut. So thats the plan unless it gets too bad. Thanx again for the offer. Cajun