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FAA alternative club/ name selection

cntry141iq

Silent Prop
R. I. P.
Gatorstick wrote:A couple of months ago, a few mentioned a new "FAA" type organization or club being born. What happened to this idea? Any planning, communicating, support building or research done yet or simply a dream? I encourage all to become involved in protecting our heritage. However, actions speak louder than words so where is the action? Is the idea being worked towards or is it too much work with no support?

Actually the date the idea was first mentioned was APRIL 20th 2006. There has been some research into it and several discussions on it and it may happen yet. There has been interest expressed in it in private conversations and progress is being made. The concept is sound and the goal is clear, the discussions have revolved around what tangible benefits will be offered to members (things they can see and use) and of course funding for the club and actual costs on the tangible benefits needs more research but things are moving along.

The issues at hand currently are
(1.) a name (2.) a club web site that actually works and has useful data available, like this one here does. (3.) input as to what benefits potential members would like to have offered. suggestions so far ... are a group insurance policy which will allow more coverage of boats at a lower cost with guaranteed availability to members. a monthly news letter/magazine to provide updates on issues affecting airboats. A political action committee fund to donate to friendly officials election campaigns. a charitable donation fund for helping with special interest issues like the "kid to camp" or the "re-building of the girls airboat".

So progress is being made and once the foundation is laid out the building will begin so keep an eye on your mailboxes and keep your web browser pointed here for updates. You don't need to take time to call me an email will work just fine if the posts made are not enough information.

SKIMMIN and SLIDIN YOUR WAY SOON

Anyone who is interested or has input they would like to share be it positive or negative please feel free to email me directly at jdoneill@aol.com all comments are welcome and will viewed objectively and given the consideration they deserve. It will be a group formed "of the airboaters, by the airboaters and for the airboaters" I think I heard something like that somewhere before maybe.

I have been told that many will belong to other clubs which is fine and is encouraged ideas will always be welcome and input will be appreciated.

The only thing set right now is that all will be welcome to join and all will have a vote in what the club does and supports. The club will take stands on issues based on what the members suggest the stance should be.
 
Thanks for the emails, I understand some may want to keep a low profile in the beginning LOL.

The name selection is underway, this is the first step that needs to be accomplished so that a non-profit corporation can be filed and 501 c3 status can be applied for which is tax exempt staus.

The first name suggested was " FLORIDA INDEPENDENT AIRBOATERS "

the second was " INDEPENDENT AIRBOATERS ASSOCIATION "

the third was " PROFESSIONAL AIRBOATERS ASSOCIATION "

so keep those ideas coming. The initial dues are looking like $ 25.00 a year and includes the entire family. It looks like a monthly newsletter in the beginning. The first benefit we are working on is a reward sticker for the boats if they are stolen, yes I know this exists in other clubs so while it is not unique it is imporant. The second one is the general liability umbrella for operation of your boat in non-commercial applications.

Ok progress is being made, send any comments to me directly or post them here. thanks John
 
Ill offer a name for consideration.

ACTION AIRBOATERS ASSOCIATION

or

ENDANGERED GROUND AIRBOAT ASSOCIATION

Anyway, just thinking out loud.

Scotty
 
I THINK WE ARE ON TO SOMETHING HERE ! THIS IS NOT TO TAKE AWAY FROM THE OTHER CLUBS OR PEOPLE THAT WORK SO HARD TO GET US THIS FAR !AND THANK YOU ! WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT ON HERE SOMEONE SAYS WHERE DO YOU WANT TO GO THIS WEEKEND HUNDRED THAT WANTS TO VOTE AND HAVE A SAY ! !WE NEED A ORG! THAT EVERONE HAS A SAY ! I MEAN EVERBODY ! I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN TOLD WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO ! IF I GOING TO SPEND MY CASH AT LEASE I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A SAY IN IT! I WAS A TRUCKER FOR YEARS I KNOW WHAT INDEPENDENT MEANS ! I THINK IT WORTH A TRY REMEMBER WE ARE WORLD WIDE ! JUST THINK WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO LOSE NOTHING !BUT MITE GAIN A LOT !I KNOW SOME OF YALL ARE THINKING ! JUST REMEMBER IF THE FRONT DOG STOPS QUICK AND YOU ARE NOT THE FRONT DOG ! EVERBODY KNOWS WHERE YOU BEEN :D :shock:
 
Ok so now a MISSION STATEMENT or Staement of Objective.

Has great possibilities. If everyone has a say and it is independent might even get some of the "I wont join a club" crew involved.

Scotty
 
Ok lets keep the suggested names coming for this weekend say till tuesday. Remember we may have national or international membership so Florida may be a poor choice. maybe with this as a subtitle "the voice of the independent airboater" Scotty do you want to work on a simple short mission statement. something not too inflamatory LOL yes I am getting to know you sorta. keep the dialog flowing.

Every member will have a vote and all input is welcome be it positive or negative just so there is a movement there is progress.

NJorthwest yours looks pretty good to me
 
I'll be working til next week so I wont have any time til then. I'll keep it in the back of my mind. I like the international or nationwide idea though. Takes a lot of HP to pull off something like that. Might be worth it though.

Moi? Inflamatory?? Nahhhhhhhhh :D

Scotty
 
The HP to pull this off is right at our fingertips "the internet" The biggest hurdle is getting started then it will develop a life of its own and if it is truly set up as a member run organization it will manifest itself to be what it will be. It may end up nothing like it starts but it will be what it was to be.
 
"This post was in response to an inappropriate post, that was removed, it was removed due to content, not perspective."
Cowboy

Thank you Jay jay for letting me know where I stand. I'm not at all sure whether I know you or not, but obviously you know me. To my knowledge we have never met.

Obviously something has been said or done that touched a nerve. If you seriously think something is headed in the wrong direction, then by all means jump in and make the effort to make it go in the right direction.

Much of this is a result of things that I was not party to and what I have said so far is in response to what I have heard. Note I have been cautious to mention that "IF" this is correct etc. I think things just need to be out in the open for all to partiscipate in. If you feel different, then by all maens join in the discussion and state you point of view.

Personal attacks will not get you anywhere, but personal efforts and partiscipation most assuredly will.

Scotty
 
WAACI!
Whiny Arsed Airboating Coalition International.

RACE!
Rind'in And Crying Enterprises.

GAS!
Griping Airboater Supportgroup.

PROPS!
People Rejecting Other People Society.

RAGE!
Respected Airboaters Getting Even! "I prefer this one"

PLEDGE!
People Letting Everyone Down Go Elsewhere!

Just a Few suggestions I think may be appropriate for this new endeavor!
It's a free country, git it done. Only in America baby!
 
Well now,

This is worth posting on. That's pretty funny cowboy.

I'll second Cowboy's suggestions.

jim
 
How about

Biased
Independents
Going
Airboating
Somewhere
South

Or maybe FAA#2

Good luck! :twisted:
 
I guess I am missing something here. Admittedly, I am a slow Southerner and many times have difficulty getting the big picture.

Far as I can tell, there has been significant progress for all airboaters in the past year or so. A major turn around from past history.

This progress has afforded every airboater more legal protection than has ever been available.

I just don't get it - we all live in the real world where compromise is a necessity. Anyone who wishes to get involved in the decision making process has been encouraged many times to do so. A few folks stepped up and made major personal sacrifices to Get R Done. Were their efforts perfect - NO. Did their work and sacrifice benefit each of us - IMO YES.

Also IMO, so far, this is 20 / 20 hindsight at work.

Remember the famous words of POGO - I have seen the enemy and he is us.
 
Ok, I was going to wait to post back here until I'm off my current 48 hour string, but I think I better chime back in.

First: I like a lot, Cowboys post under Airboats n Politics. That answers about 80% of what I was concerned about.

Second: Thinking about some of the past history I'm hearing, I realize I am truely a latecomer on THIS particular issue.

Third: There is a LOT I dont know about both FAA and general politicial histotry here.

Fourth: It appears that while shooting my mouth off, I may be stepping on toes I have no dsire to step on.

With this in mind I think I am going to step back from this and offer encouragement to everyone in all their endeavors, however being thousands and tens of thousands of miles away and this being my ONLY source of current event talk, I think it is in my best interest to sit down and shut up for a while and follow some of my own advice. (Knowledge is gained by the use of the eyes and the ears and not the mouth)

Sometimes at long distance things get skewed and also arent necessarily taken as intended in a text format. I see things and some of what I see makes me see RED. Having said that, I have learned it pays to step back for a while and let the issues mature before I jump in ready to go to war.

With that said, Ill still offer airboat tips and hints to anyone wanting or asking. Not sure I fit into the political arena just yet.

Scotty
 
WE ARE ALL TRYING FOR THE SAME THING ! JUST WANT TO MORE PEOPLE INVOLED IN THIS DEAL ! I THINK THE FAA DOING GREAT AND LIKE I SAID! THANK YOU ! I SOME EGO.S HAVE BEEN STEP ON THAT WASNT THE INTENTION ON MY PART ANYWAY ! MOST OF THE AIR BOATERS CANT COME TO THE RIDES. MEETING GET INVOLED LIKE SOME CAN !BUT THAT DOSNT MEAN THAT DONT WANT TO BE HEARD JUST SAYING THE LITTLE GUYS ,I THINK WOULD JOIN AND SUPPORT ANOTHER ORG ITS NOT TAKING ANYTHING AWAY FROM ANYBODY !JUST MAKING US STRONGER AS A WHOLE ! ANOTHER BUNCH TO BATTLE BETTER COMING FROM BOTH SIDES THAN ONLY ONE ! SUPPORT THE CAUSE DONT WORRY ABOUT THE BS IN BETWEEN ! THROW AWAY THE BS LETS GO .JUST SUPPORT THE EFFORT !ONLY THING WE GOT AGREE ON SAVE OUR BOATS DONT MATTER HOW YOU DO IT ! :D ONE BIG FAMILY REMEMBER :D DAR.NT CHRIS I MISS YOUR POST SORRY ! SCOTTY YOU ARE ALRITE!!
 
Here is how I really see this whole deal.

Many are really pissed about the bill. They are pissed because they feel like they had no say in it whatsoever, and perhaps they did not. They did not have a say in the planning to lobby for the bill, and what it was gonna be.

Never the less, many folks like Fatboy really did'nt know what was being discussed PERIOD. They were informed about NOTHING.

Many were invited to participate, and get involved, but not in the setting type that they would prefer. Nor did this invitation come at an advanced time, that would allow anything from the discussions to make any difference. IT WAS TOO LATE to change anything about THE BILL.

The FAA lobbied for the bill, and found a sponsor for it.
Once that was accomplished, the bill more or less became HIS BILL.
Then our FAA folks, and Bondo could only try and steer the langauge that was put in it, or taken out.

I do believe they did their best. Was it good enough to make everyone happy.... NO. Never could'a been in my opinion. That's history.

Just as there is alot of history behind some of the bad feelings that are behind this proposal for an alternative organization. Bad feelings by many folks, from many different perspectives on the FAA. Couple that with some serious personal anymosities, and wammo! You've got what we have were.

Country has been the most vocal critic by far of the FAA. And I must say that he is right on a good many of his complaints.
He has I believe some axes to grind with the FAA leadership, just as they have with him. Then it turns into a test of wills.

THEN IT TURNS INTO THIS ENDEAVOR.
It is also important to note that Country started this thread after being DARED to do so by Gatorstick. BAD FORM, but Gatorstick has been getting hammered pretty hard, and I know he's pretty well worn down.

If you think the bill is a good or bad thing, thats for each individual airboater to decide for themselves. It is what it is, and it is TOO LATE now to change it.

I agree Bigdaddy.. At least we HAVE a bill. That allot more than many who whent to Tally got. This has ALL been 20/20 hindsight, and Monday Morning Quaterbacking, but thats the only opportunity Country was given to my knowledge.
That ain't healthy, and how many out there feel just as he does, and don't have a place where they can say it?

It all boils down to one thing, and that's communication!


The FAA has got to communicate better, and with more advanced leadtime.

Because of the lack of communication Country feels like he had NO say in what direction the bill headed in, and he's largely right about that.
By the time anyone started talking about it, it was too late to change anything about it.

The FAA must decide what issues they are going to pursue in the future, and ask the club delegates to report back to the FAA on the MAJORITY VOICE of each individual club.

Then the majority of each club should be voiced by the club delegates votes. This way Joe / Jane airboater can be heard, and carry the issue.

That's the way I thought it should work, but it's not been happening that way.

What we have here is the result of this, projected over a period of time.

I just see ALL OF IT as bad. And I see both sides of it to a large extent, and BOTH sides of this have been wrong at times.

It just sucks.

It all started with communication, and a lack thereof.

If the FAA can't re-energize the club delegate functions, so that each airboating club member can have a say, and see a process, then it will be doomed.

That is not what I would like to see happen, but it just might.

I see no problem with the delegates that I know of as individuals, but the FAA leadership has got to make sure they perfom the communication functions back to the clubs. Then bring the club membership positions back to the FAA meetings.


But, those are all my personal perspectives, and opinions.
Many may disagree.


Just think about this. Many of us know what led up to this proposal, but.....

Just think about how Joe / Jane airboater must feel about things right now with the FAA, or when they read this thread, or hear people talking about it, the bill, ect.

I would suspect that a great many feel just as Country does, and must say I could'nt blame them if they did.
 
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