• If you log in, the ads disappear in the forum and gallery. If you need help logging in or getting registered, send request to: webmaster@southernairboat.com

FWC COMMISH MEETING

GatorChaser

Well-known member
Seems like nothing much was passed at the commish meetings. No firearms on the gator hunts, no wildlife trappers catching gators, no catching of 4 foot gators by private home owners. Thanks to all nuisance gator trappers that show'd up.
June 14, 2007
Contact: Henry Cabbage (850) 528-1755

The Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission (FWC) decided Wednesday not to open the door to allowing homeowners to dispose of small nuisance alligators on their own. Rather, they decided to continue the requirement that people contact the FWC, and the agency will dispatch nuisance alligator trappers to remove the reptiles.

FWC Commissioners, meeting in a two-day session in Melbourne, also turned thumbs down to a proposal to issue statewide permits to recreational alligator hunters and agreed to continue issuing countywide permits.

They also decided not to allow daytime recreational alligator hunting or the use of small-caliber handguns to dispatch alligators.

On the other hand, Commissioners did approve, in concept, an array of new alligator management provisions, including use of artificial lures to reel in alligators during statewide harvests and provisions to streamline requirements of the Private Lands Alligator Management Program.

For instance, Commissioners approved removing the 6- to 9-foot closed slot limit on alligators taken in the FWC’s Private Lands Alligator Management Program and to pursue broader public awareness regarding living peacefully with alligators.

Based on the Commissioners’ guidance, FWC staff will prepare appropriate rule proposals for further consideration in future Commission meetings.
 
seems like they wasted your guys time.........and they keep wanting us to support them, when they can't pass some simple rules?
 
Don't tell me you are surprised!!! Instead of scratching my head i am just going to pick my arse!!! BOHICA, Bend Over Here it Comes Again. Or SNAFU, Situation normal all F### UP!!!!! Ol yeah!!
 
I'm glad to see the carrying of a pistol during the hunts & the private homeowners exclusion "did not" pass.

There's no reason to be carrying a pistol on these hunts other than for "show" & all it will lead to is someone getting hurt.

Same with the private homeowners. Someone withh get bite or killed trying a kill or remove a gator with no training.

Most of the general public have no commen sense!!! :D
 
Capt Jeff":hz5egp9t said:
There's no reason to be carrying a pistol on these hunts other than for "show" & all it will lead to is someone getting hurt. :D
He said no "firearms". I took that to mean rifles, shotguns, side arms, etc....
Any law that restricts citizens (law abiding) from carrying a concealed handgun wherever they see fit is disturbing to me. It's the precidence factor that bothers me.
 
well the turn out for the common man is just poor. You can bet your arse that the people that make a living trapping gators showed up and in truckloads. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. Its that simple.
You try to take a little money off these guys table and they are going to scream and cry like a baby. Hell, they might have to get a regular job and go to work. If you don't show up in force and stand up and be heard , nothing is going to get done or changed.

The Orlando meeting was a joke, poor turn out. If you don't show up you gotta shut up.
No cracker or cheese for this this type of belly aching.
 
Deepsea,

You are right about the turn out...if you don't take the time to attend these meetings you are probably gonna come up short!

I trap alligators for a living, private lands, not a nuisance gator trapper and I will tell it is a real job...it has its rewards...but little money and a lot of work!

Nuisance gator trappers have been getting a lot of breaks as of late, however they have hung on when it cost them to continue with that work!

I am saying don't blame them for taking what is available to them...just attend the meetings and work to get more for everyone else. JMO

Grant
 
FrogNutz":2pzg1fjy said:
Capt Jeff":2pzg1fjy said:
There's no reason to be carrying a pistol on these hunts other than for "show" & all it will lead to is someone getting hurt. :D

He said no "firearms". I took that to mean rifles, shotguns, side arms, etc....
Any law that restricts citizens (law abiding) from carrying a concealed handgun wherever they see fit is disturbing to me. It's the precidence factor that bothers me.

I understand what you're saying & I feel the same way to a point.

There would be less "person on person" crime if citizen's legally allowed to own a firearm would be able to carry it.

But you already can't carry your concealed pistol in many banks, govt buildings, office complexes & national parks.

If FWC would have opened that door the "honest/ethical" hunters would be harvesting gators with bullets holes in their backs from being shot @ by others.

I'm sorry, but the outlaws would make us all look bad!!!
 
I am sorry that y'all can not believe that the commission does not have a little common sense. :shock: did you really think they were going to let you go out there and shoot gators with a pistol. Hunt all day long, let homeowners take gators less than 4 feet. Draw a license to hunt anywhere you like in the state of Florida. Let private landowners take gators without a slot size. Well I guess If you thought you were wrong and that is the only thing they took from the draft rule. I attended this meeting and the work shop meeting in West Palm Beach. The rest of the draft rule is still on the table and will have more meetings and workshops on that. :!: I was one of 12 speakers at this meet and not one spoke in favor of any of this we also sat in a meeting filled with sea cow lovers and turtle huggers. After seven hours of them holding up what we wanted to talk about we were able to speak at 7:30 p.m. sorry y'all missed the show. It was a long day but I was happy at the end of the day. :D :D
 
Just to clear something up. I do not hold anything against anybody for getting what you can get. If you can grease a system to make it work for you, good. For the people that make a livin traping gators,all of them, that was your choice and if thats what you enjoy Great. I have no problem with it. This is the way I look at things, if i don't like the place I work at or the people i work with then I am not going to be there long. I was looking for a job when I found this one. A man spends most of his life working and I would recommend that you find a job doing what you like. Hell if a job don't sit right with me, Ill pack my sh#T up and move on real fast if it suits my needs.

I just get sick and tired of the bullsh#t whining. The gator trappers screwed me again. I have to throw the BS flag on that one. Everybody has to look out for themselves. Not going to the meeting and then belly aching when thing dont go well, just does not cut it.
I went to the meeting, I got my permit, and I am going hunting. I will leave my hand gun at home and move on. Life is good.

Grant, if you are not on wellfare, have a job or can work when you need to, and have a AB, you are doing okay. Some people are just not made for the 9 to 5 thing. Never ment to take a shot at a noble profession. DSD :D
 
Only thing that comes to my mind is you DO NOT NEED A REASON TO CARRY A FIREARM. The ONLY reason one needs is that THEY WANT TO. Nothing more and nothing else, PERIOD.

Restrictions are abridgements and it is not allowed by the constitution. No ifs no butts and no ands.

If someone is lacking the commkon sense or training to have them, then that is the PERFECT reason for them to get hurt or hurt someone else. They do wrong they pay the price. Personal responcibility.

Its way past time the .gov got out of our personal lives.

Scotty
 
Whitebear":3eyf7gum said:
Only thing that comes to my mind is you DO NOT NEED A REASON TO CARRY A FIREARM. The ONLY reason one needs is that THEY WANT TO. Nothing more and nothing else, PERIOD.

Its way past time the .gov got out of our personal lives.

Scotty

I agree 110% all they can do is say you can't "hunt"with certain weapons/guns but it is your constitutional RIGHT to carry and bare firearms
 
As far as what ya can hunt with and what ya cant, itsw a moot point to me. Were it up to me I'd let folks shoot what they brung to hunt with. I have always subscribed to the notion that the .gov that governs least governs best.

If idiots out there on the marsh start popping off at gaters and holing their hides for other hunters, then its just time to educate them (out there, on the spot) and leave the .gov out of it.

Remember in the 70s when they told us gators were endangered. Well it s still the same organizations out there doing the same job. They arent right any more of the time now than they were back then. Just remember their past to judge their future.

there has never been a shortage of any kind of gaters in Florida. Not since modern man has occupied the land anyway. Pre-history is hard to tell about. Recorded history is simple. If its recorded its likely only 50% true. If that.

EDIT: Dont get me wrong about FWC. When I was affiliated with the old GFC they had some of the best, professional, and well educated officers I have ever seen anywhere. Second to none IMHO. Great people and just plain decent folks. I am addressing the management and politics of such. IMHO they have always been short on Biology and long on enforcement. They had the best enforcement one could ask for but the Biology was mediocre at best. Management has always been lackuster IMHO. Maybe things have changed some with the addition of FWC and restructure. Just don't know which way they changed.

Scotty
 
Deepsea This ones for you.
Ya Damn right we showd up in force and we got what we wanted. Through all the meetings that FWC had we agreed pretty much with the hunters with whatever you guys wanted we never stepped on any ones toes. We did not want citizens or raccoon trappers catching our gators. Can't say if any hunters were at the meeting, or if they were there they were awfully quiet. Sooooo if your gonna say we bitch and cry about our jobs ya damm right we do. We worked hard to get theses jobs and will probably never let them go. You do not have a clue the cost it is to trap the areas we cover so before you open Your Gator, you should get the facts first. Also while your home tucked away in your bed at 3am I'm at work. and while your getting up drinking you coffee getting ready to head to work, I'm already there, and when you sit down for dinner at night with your family, I'm still at work. Hope this clears the air!
 
(Divers Quote) You try to take a little money off these guys table and they are going to scream and cry like a baby. Hell, they might have to get a regular job and go to work.

If this was not directed to me or my fellow Nuisance Gator Trappers then my apologize to Diver.
 
I am a hunter and not a nuisance gator trapper? I did get up at the podium to speak and it will be in the minutes. What I said I also was not the only hunter there that spoke at the podium. I did not think y'all were crybabies either nor did I think I was. We were there at a meeting asking the commission to support what we wanted and because we were there we got what we wanted :) by the way this costs me a day's pay from a job I love because I make real money and enjoy hunting because it's a hobby not a job. I also believe we made ethical and responsible decisions on the future of gator hunting and management. As for caring a weapon I have no problem with that I just don't think it's the proper weapon for taking gators. So if you want to carry asked for that in the up coming workshops in the near future I would support that and I believe others whould to. :idea:
 
The gator is a resource of the PEOPLE of FLORIDA, not a select group under contract with the state. The sport hunters of Florida out number the contract trappers 15,000 to 1. Why did the FWC do what they did?

Because the Nuisance trappers showed in numbers at the meeting and the FWC is trying to throw them a bone...........(admirable the FWC is looking out for them)

So, rather than complain about the conspiracy, write a letter with what you want & send it to BOTH the Commissioners & the Executive Director. You might want to copy your local Newspaper too.

Commissioners:
http://myfwc.com/Contact/commissioners.htm

Executive Director:
kenneth.haddad@fwc.state.fl.us




Be short, be polite. Squeaky wheel gets the grease.

If the sport hunters want to be treated as a MAJORITY, act like one & send a letter. While I don't agree with the nuisance trapper's agenda, you have to admire & respect their ability & determination in having their voices heard. They provide a needed service & work very hard.

We went through the same thing 7 years ago to get County Tags. The nuisance guys protected their turf and said the county tag program would destroy their income & livelyhood............We had to drop the FWC a thousand or so letters to get our point across. Maybe I'll post my letter from way back then if I can find it. When I get time, I'll write a pro-sportsmen letter & post it.
 
Gator, naw, is was not directed at you or your profession. Sorry for the confussion. Thanks, DSD

and by the way, this ones for you:
Budweiser >>>

Take care
 
I take exception to a couple of notions here.

First, in my mind, there is no such thing as a nuisance gator. All gators are a valuable part of our normal ecosystem. Conversely, however, there are nuisance people.

That gator that just ate fluffy is NOT being a nuisance. YOU brought fluffy here, YOU let fluffy bark at the gator and when the gator ate fluffy you cried foul?? When the gator bites you you cry for someone to come do something about it. If the gator kills you someoone else will cry its too big. I submit that in every case the gator is NOT THE NUISANCE here. It comes to me that most folks are very self centered, yeah, its all about "ME" or in your case "YOU" isn't it?

I have zero issue eating a gator or hunting one, but to aggervate, dislocate, oir euthanize them is both unetical and just plain wrong. Its people who are in the wrong here and they try to pawn their personal responsibiities off on others and shift the blame frim themselves to the animal.

Am I fired up? Nah, not really. Id much rather see a gator reat a person than a person eat a gator though.

I do think responcibility should be placed where it belongs though.

If you weigh 90 pounds, have one leg and feed the gators well it sure doesn't take much to figure out WHO carries the load when you get bit. If YOU put fluffy in the back yard and fluffy barks continually at the gator or stalks it continually, then when fluffy becomes Purina Gator Chow, YOU have nothing to say about it, Live with it.

Permits and licenses. If there are hearings ont he subject, and you don't go, then you have nothing to complain about when you don't get what you want. If nobody knows what you want do you think they will misteriously just understand hopw you think, feel and what you want? Ya gotta communicate, communicate, communicate.


Rant complete: LOL

Scotty :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
Back
Top