Just went to the mailbox and there it was april issue of abw.Isure would like to see this great mag work the bug's out of there system. i really enjoyed the article on reducted a/c motor's and cowboy you did a bang up job. if they can there delivery system straightend out i would become a lifetime subsciber.
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Hear, hear Scooter I really enjoyed the article as well and also hope that Terri and her gang are on the right track. If there is anything ABW needs I'm sure many here would be glad to do all they can.
I really loved the vintage photos of the three Palm Beach stlye boats taken in the West Palm Beach, FL area in the 1970's. If that gentleman has more of those photos I wish he'd post them here in the Vintage Gallery.
I really loved the vintage photos of the three Palm Beach stlye boats taken in the West Palm Beach, FL area in the 1970's. If that gentleman has more of those photos I wish he'd post them here in the Vintage Gallery.
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You Palm Beach guys make me sick ...... :lol: .
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Well our Dad used to say "Son sometimes you gotta dance with the one that brung ya". I think that kinda applies here. Our Dad used to say allot of funny stuff like that. One of his favorites was when I'd ask, "hey Dad why is this......", or "why is that......." and he'd say "to make little boys like you ask questions." I figured out that meant "shut up and leave me alone" =)
I got mine today great article cowboy ... I'll take one of those glossy photos please ... I have been havin a little problem with rats on my boat ever since the milkbus cookout . LOL good job man
Hey all it takes is money just give them a call and I bet they will build you one, of course then the main reason for runnin an a/c engine goes right out the cage ... cause then you gotta buy a new prop and a gear box and an adapter plate and of course your adding the weight to your boat and all of that. I bet the LS1 engines are lookin better all the time LOL somebody slap me ... sorry i couldn't resist that.
I bet this is just the begining on the subject of geared aircraft vs geared chevy engines whatcha think ... should be interesting no offense meant towards you personally
I bet this is just the begining on the subject of geared aircraft vs geared chevy engines whatcha think ... should be interesting no offense meant towards you personally
cowboy
Moderator
Yeah Country,
I thought that geared A/C vs Auto discussion would be productive weeks ago. Weeks before the article was printed.
Proposed to do an article on it, for all to read.
Thought I could sit down with reasonable men, work out a plan to structure the evaluation process, and get the article done.
Every single person I asked about such an article said "do it!" "I wanna read that!"
I asked the geardrive adaptor folks if they would want to do a showdown article, against the baddest automotive ride boat I know of, and they said Hell Yeah!
They didnt think about it! Not for one second.
I asked them that question, cause I kinda knew this article might get some folks stirred up, and it really is just an outline for the concept. What it is, and what it may do.
The first part of the article is based on what they are telling me for the most part. The later parts are my observations, and opinions. I think that is clear to all when they read it.
I thought the article falls short of showing what the concept can actually do, at this stage of development. That's why I proposed the showdown article. I was mad about the JC Stanley comment when I made the proposal, and because of that, the proposal went into fight mode.
This I attempted to admit elsewhere. Perhaps this one is more clear, but I still stand behind every word I posted in the "other" topic, and await any reality checks that are out there in the mail from that exchange.
I do agree with your questioning the "economic viability" of this concept.
Very, VERY valid point, and one I considered, and decided to leave up to the readers for their personal decision making rationales. Besides, the article had to end someday!!! I know it goes on farther than the energizer bunny.
The way I see it, IMO, they way I look at it, etc, etc, ..........
you could buy a CHEAP run of the mill gpu, gear it, and run with the big direct drive aircraft dogs. That's the only way this will probably be justifiable to budgetary rationales applied while under consideration of purchase....IMO! But....
We must not forget we are talking airboats here.
Not every airboating purchase that has ever been made, was done because it was the most economically rational decision that could be made!
I guess that's why they have at least 5 customers I know of, cutting up their rigging, and reconfiguring the engine stands right now. They want more thrust, and are willing to pay $$, piss of the wife, and re-rig major to get it.
Their all spinn'in that money baby! That's airboating. There's not always a rational explanation of why airboaters do what they do. Buy what they buy. Run what they run.
Panther knows it coming, and have laid-in quite a stock pile of aircraft compatible rotator gearboxes, complete with the internal refinements. Preparing for the onslaught of A/C ratio orders.This is what I have been I have been told.
They are convinced, and it is their job to identify new airboating market trends. I would guess they know what they are doing.
Then again, it don't really matter to me. I ain't really got a dog in this fight. I be waiting a while before any money comes outta my wallet.
Mostly cause it's empty!
I guess I'm a second class citizen in the airboating community, because I run a rickety 4 cyl aircraft boat. I'm good with that if that's what I am. I am what I am, and that's all that I am. I do enjoy spinach, but rarely require any. I don't keep any in my boat, cause I can't afford the weight penalty to haul it.
I do just fine when I go out in the marsh, but don't allways stay in the places people would like to put me. Sorry.
I am convinced gearing A/C engines works. I now know Waterthunder was right along time ago about multiplying your torque.
I still looked at them as rpm enablers, even after I read his first post saying multiply your torque. That is until I saw that geardrive gpu. I knew right then that statement was spot on.
Multiplying your torque works. No doubt about it.
Did it take longer for a bunch of thick skulled A/C people to figure that out? Probably so. Part of that delay was the right props to come down the pike, and then putting 2 and 2 together.
Waterthunder put it into terms that could even penetrate my thick skull, even if it took a year to sink in. He should write articles for ABW. His would probably blow mine outta the water. He's really good at putting things into terms anyone can understand. His posts have always been that way for technical explainations.
One thing I think is true is that aircraft engines won't be going through the rpm enabler phase that Automotive gearing did. IMO, ect,etc.
Is it more effective doing it with an A/C vs Automotive engine?
Time will tell, but I suspect that it is going to boil down to the same old thing.
The individual. What they like and want out of an airboat, is gonna be different than the next guy or gal..
That will probably never change. Hope it never does, cause it would get pretty darn boring around here if it ever did.
I thought that geared A/C vs Auto discussion would be productive weeks ago. Weeks before the article was printed.
Proposed to do an article on it, for all to read.
Thought I could sit down with reasonable men, work out a plan to structure the evaluation process, and get the article done.
Every single person I asked about such an article said "do it!" "I wanna read that!"
I asked the geardrive adaptor folks if they would want to do a showdown article, against the baddest automotive ride boat I know of, and they said Hell Yeah!
They didnt think about it! Not for one second.
I asked them that question, cause I kinda knew this article might get some folks stirred up, and it really is just an outline for the concept. What it is, and what it may do.
The first part of the article is based on what they are telling me for the most part. The later parts are my observations, and opinions. I think that is clear to all when they read it.
I thought the article falls short of showing what the concept can actually do, at this stage of development. That's why I proposed the showdown article. I was mad about the JC Stanley comment when I made the proposal, and because of that, the proposal went into fight mode.
This I attempted to admit elsewhere. Perhaps this one is more clear, but I still stand behind every word I posted in the "other" topic, and await any reality checks that are out there in the mail from that exchange.
I do agree with your questioning the "economic viability" of this concept.
Very, VERY valid point, and one I considered, and decided to leave up to the readers for their personal decision making rationales. Besides, the article had to end someday!!! I know it goes on farther than the energizer bunny.
The way I see it, IMO, they way I look at it, etc, etc, ..........
you could buy a CHEAP run of the mill gpu, gear it, and run with the big direct drive aircraft dogs. That's the only way this will probably be justifiable to budgetary rationales applied while under consideration of purchase....IMO! But....
We must not forget we are talking airboats here.
Not every airboating purchase that has ever been made, was done because it was the most economically rational decision that could be made!
I guess that's why they have at least 5 customers I know of, cutting up their rigging, and reconfiguring the engine stands right now. They want more thrust, and are willing to pay $$, piss of the wife, and re-rig major to get it.
Their all spinn'in that money baby! That's airboating. There's not always a rational explanation of why airboaters do what they do. Buy what they buy. Run what they run.
Panther knows it coming, and have laid-in quite a stock pile of aircraft compatible rotator gearboxes, complete with the internal refinements. Preparing for the onslaught of A/C ratio orders.This is what I have been I have been told.
They are convinced, and it is their job to identify new airboating market trends. I would guess they know what they are doing.
Then again, it don't really matter to me. I ain't really got a dog in this fight. I be waiting a while before any money comes outta my wallet.
Mostly cause it's empty!
I guess I'm a second class citizen in the airboating community, because I run a rickety 4 cyl aircraft boat. I'm good with that if that's what I am. I am what I am, and that's all that I am. I do enjoy spinach, but rarely require any. I don't keep any in my boat, cause I can't afford the weight penalty to haul it.
I do just fine when I go out in the marsh, but don't allways stay in the places people would like to put me. Sorry.
I am convinced gearing A/C engines works. I now know Waterthunder was right along time ago about multiplying your torque.
I still looked at them as rpm enablers, even after I read his first post saying multiply your torque. That is until I saw that geardrive gpu. I knew right then that statement was spot on.
Multiplying your torque works. No doubt about it.
Did it take longer for a bunch of thick skulled A/C people to figure that out? Probably so. Part of that delay was the right props to come down the pike, and then putting 2 and 2 together.
Waterthunder put it into terms that could even penetrate my thick skull, even if it took a year to sink in. He should write articles for ABW. His would probably blow mine outta the water. He's really good at putting things into terms anyone can understand. His posts have always been that way for technical explainations.
One thing I think is true is that aircraft engines won't be going through the rpm enabler phase that Automotive gearing did. IMO, ect,etc.
Is it more effective doing it with an A/C vs Automotive engine?
Time will tell, but I suspect that it is going to boil down to the same old thing.
The individual. What they like and want out of an airboat, is gonna be different than the next guy or gal..
That will probably never change. Hope it never does, cause it would get pretty darn boring around here if it ever did.
Cowboy I think i agree with evrything you said except the second class part. You will never be second class in my book unless you do something to earn the classification not that what I think means that much anyways but just lettin you know. I don't look down on anyone for what they run, like I have said before I have run a lot of junk in my day. I may run junk in the future if fate is not kind to me butt most importantly I will be runnin somethin and tryin to get all I can out of it always. I also dont mean your stuff is junk .. it is not ... it is way cool classic airboating at its best. that was just in case my typing didnt relay my intentions. LOL.
I may bring my copy of ABW for you to autograph next time I see you cause you famous now man. later buddy
I may bring my copy of ABW for you to autograph next time I see you cause you famous now man. later buddy
cowboy
Moderator
Country,
I addressed you at the beginning of that post, but not every bit of it was meant for you alone.
That was my mistake.
I just wanted everyone to know where I stood on that article, and other events in "other" threads.
I did'nt want it to sound like I hade a flame thrower on you.
Sorry if it did. That ain't excactly what I wanted.
I know I ain't perfect, and I know I'm a messy eater!
See ya
I addressed you at the beginning of that post, but not every bit of it was meant for you alone.
That was my mistake.
I just wanted everyone to know where I stood on that article, and other events in "other" threads.
I did'nt want it to sound like I hade a flame thrower on you.
Sorry if it did. That ain't excactly what I wanted.
I know I ain't perfect, and I know I'm a messy eater!
See ya