cc how about doing it as a pre run in the same area that way if you dont make one you could make the other and we could scout the best run to take the main one on you know how things change ,trail conditions, fences ,new rules ect .since some people will be doing alot of traveling we want everything to be the best .also if some one wants to do a local run on the spur of the moment just post it like lets do a stjohns 192 south to spade to see cypress this saturday or go north to oakhead for lunch