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How many rounds does it take to qualify a scope ?
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SwampMatt
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A few boxes the first time out.
The flight of the bullet varys between rifle and brand of ammo. Sometimes a lot. I've always been interested in loading my own, but never got around to it.
If it's my first time with that rifle, I try a couple (or 3) brands of ammo, and choose the one with the tightest grouping, then bring that brand ammo onto the target. And every few years, repeat the ammo brand test.
I use 5 rounds and disregard the 1 farthest from the group - looking at groups of 4.
Adjust, repeat.
Weaver scope / Redfield mounts on a Savage Arms model 99 (Mfg in 1937) 30-30 bought new by my grandfather.
matt.
The flight of the bullet varys between rifle and brand of ammo. Sometimes a lot. I've always been interested in loading my own, but never got around to it.
If it's my first time with that rifle, I try a couple (or 3) brands of ammo, and choose the one with the tightest grouping, then bring that brand ammo onto the target. And every few years, repeat the ammo brand test.
I use 5 rounds and disregard the 1 farthest from the group - looking at groups of 4.
Adjust, repeat.
Weaver scope / Redfield mounts on a Savage Arms model 99 (Mfg in 1937) 30-30 bought new by my grandfather.
matt.
Matt theres a LOT of fine craftsmanship in that old rifle. Your procedure works fine. Just keep repeating your adjustments until your satisfied the scope is in the center of the group. Don't matter how many groups ya shoot til its right. Once its right ya got it. I used 5 shot groups for initial setup then 3 shot groups for checkouts whenever I felt like I needed some confidence.
Handloading is one of the best things I ever learned. Was worth all the years took to accumulate all the bits and pieces. As I replace my arsenal I'm definately going bak to handloading.
Theres still some good deals out there on ammo crafter kits with "most" things ya need in it. If you ever think you might like it take the jump its worth every cent.
Scotty
Handloading is one of the best things I ever learned. Was worth all the years took to accumulate all the bits and pieces. As I replace my arsenal I'm definately going bak to handloading.
Theres still some good deals out there on ammo crafter kits with "most" things ya need in it. If you ever think you might like it take the jump its worth every cent.
Scotty
SwampMatt
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Whitebear":kp6who06 said:
Scotty - you got that right. It shows just holding it in my hands. It has a "feel" that screams FINE!!! In so many ways, the rifle is an example of "they just don't make them like they used to".... well, they do, but to get that old time quality these days, comes in a package that just about only the most upper crust can afford. Gone are the days when a WORKING MAN could afford this quality.
My granddaddy was a cop for awhile, then a firefighter for many years (worked his way all the way to Chief of the Lucas County Fire Dept), all the while owning a Shell service station which is still standing today in Toledo, Ohio and run by my cousins (who are also cops and firefighters)
He knew his weapons well, and this rifle is the most solid, accurate gun I've ever fired. The craftsmanship in the rifle is indeed superb! I'm so proud of it's history, and proud to have the RIGHT to own and fire it. I feel as if I'm shaking hands with my granddad whenever I pick up the gun.
It's just one of many that he left to me when he passed away 30 years ago.
Now my soon-to-be wife laura has been bitten by "the bug" - of all the guns she had to choose from at the gun show last weekend, she picked out a 1910 Smith & Wesson revolver to be her first gun. Came with a beautiful hand tooled leather case.
No waiting period for CWP holders! At the range after the show, first bullet out of the gun was a 100% dead on bulls eye. Nearly 100 years old and still shoots straight.
You gotta love quality.
matt.
Matt
I have been a Sniper for a lot of years and have been to over 20 differant Sniper Schools and have taken the Top gun award at all of the ones that they had one and the best all around production ammo is Black hills I have tried them all and it is the most accurate accross the board in differant rifles when you Zero that Rifle use Sand bags to rest it on if you don't have any make some out of old pillow cases and give time for the rifle to cool between five shot groups it will give you the best results
I have been a Sniper for a lot of years and have been to over 20 differant Sniper Schools and have taken the Top gun award at all of the ones that they had one and the best all around production ammo is Black hills I have tried them all and it is the most accurate accross the board in differant rifles when you Zero that Rifle use Sand bags to rest it on if you don't have any make some out of old pillow cases and give time for the rifle to cool between five shot groups it will give you the best results
SwampMatt
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Sniper - that means a lot coming from someone of your stature. I know you know your stuff when it comes to accuracy! It shows in everything I've seen you involved with.
I'll look for that Black Hills brand for next time I take that rifle out.
I'm self taught by trial, error, & logic when it comes to this stuff....
What about disregarding the shot furthest from the group? Would taking 6 shots abd looking at the group of 5 be better? (or make any difference?)
I disregard the most wayward shot to account for my own shortcomings in operating the gun.
10-4 on the barrel rest.
It makes VERY good sense to let the barrel cool off between adjustments.
Thanks for the tips.
How much do they charge to use that gun range on Hatbill Road next to Loughman lodge? Is it member's only?
matt.
I'll look for that Black Hills brand for next time I take that rifle out.
I'm self taught by trial, error, & logic when it comes to this stuff....
What about disregarding the shot furthest from the group? Would taking 6 shots abd looking at the group of 5 be better? (or make any difference?)
I disregard the most wayward shot to account for my own shortcomings in operating the gun.
10-4 on the barrel rest.
It makes VERY good sense to let the barrel cool off between adjustments.
Thanks for the tips.
How much do they charge to use that gun range on Hatbill Road next to Loughman lodge? Is it member's only?
matt.
On a light barreled rifle three shot groups should be fine the barrel will start getting pritty hot after 5 rounds thru it so sticking with three should tell you what you want to know and if you are going to be hunting deer try to find the lightest bullet you can find a light bullet and high volicity will kill deer beter than anything else.
Hi guys, You can get black hills ammo at ( cheaper than dirt. com )
also most of the major manufacturers make higher grades of ammo
that do quite well, but you will pay a little more. all of my rifles are
able to shoot much better than I can. The best I can consistantly
shoot is 2-4'' groups at 100 yds. with cheap or good ammo.
However my 17 yr.old son can do much beter than that with
premium ammo. may have somthing to do with theese 50 yr.old
eyes. One tip that works well for me is to shoot 3 groups of 3,
before adjusting the scope, it gives me confidence that the rifle
is actualy shooting where I think it is when first sighting in a scope.
good luck and be careful out there.
Kevin.
also most of the major manufacturers make higher grades of ammo
that do quite well, but you will pay a little more. all of my rifles are
able to shoot much better than I can. The best I can consistantly
shoot is 2-4'' groups at 100 yds. with cheap or good ammo.
However my 17 yr.old son can do much beter than that with
premium ammo. may have somthing to do with theese 50 yr.old
eyes. One tip that works well for me is to shoot 3 groups of 3,
before adjusting the scope, it gives me confidence that the rifle
is actualy shooting where I think it is when first sighting in a scope.
good luck and be careful out there.
Kevin.
Glenn Hutchinson
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If you want the best from your rifle reload! Most rifles shoot match ammo pretty well but you dont hunt deer with match ammo! It's made for punching paper or shooting bad guys in the head, not game! Reloading is addictive, so be careful. Look at Lee equipment on the http://www.midwayusa.com website and you will see that you can get started much cheeper than some of us did 30 years ago! I've been swiching to Lee equipment and I like it better than RCBS. GO AHEAD AND JUMP IN
I have never known anyone I introduced to reloading to wish they hadn't got involved. Its something you can take pride in and see immediate results of your own work.
It can get very heavy into math but only if you like to do your own calculations from raw data from powder manufacturers. It is just that you can take the science and art as far as YOU choose to.
At the entry level there are reference books that tell you at every stage what is safe and what isn't and what to look for and what to expect.
For me there few things as satisfying.
I'll have to at least look at the LEE stuff. Never used it. Had a LEE pistol reloader kit many many years ago and tried making some 9mm loads with it and finally tossed the whole kit oin the trash and just stayed with my single stage old RCBS. I have heard really good things about the new LEE stuff though. I'll definately give it a hard look. I am a single stage man though, don't like multi stage presses. Thats just for me.
I highly recommend reloading though. Is is a source of pride and you will shortly become an authority on your chosen cartridges. I have never known a reloader to refuse to show someone else how to get started or to coach anyone that asks. I think we all enjoy sharing our knowledge and take a pride in passing it on.
Scotty
It can get very heavy into math but only if you like to do your own calculations from raw data from powder manufacturers. It is just that you can take the science and art as far as YOU choose to.
At the entry level there are reference books that tell you at every stage what is safe and what isn't and what to look for and what to expect.
For me there few things as satisfying.
I'll have to at least look at the LEE stuff. Never used it. Had a LEE pistol reloader kit many many years ago and tried making some 9mm loads with it and finally tossed the whole kit oin the trash and just stayed with my single stage old RCBS. I have heard really good things about the new LEE stuff though. I'll definately give it a hard look. I am a single stage man though, don't like multi stage presses. Thats just for me.
I highly recommend reloading though. Is is a source of pride and you will shortly become an authority on your chosen cartridges. I have never known a reloader to refuse to show someone else how to get started or to coach anyone that asks. I think we all enjoy sharing our knowledge and take a pride in passing it on.
Scotty
robert4570
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I have been reloading for 32 yrs and I also cast my own bullets whick is a lot of fun to I agree that reloads are the best but not all folks can do that and just so you will know match rounds are excellant hunting rounds I talked to a Sierria rep once he told me that is one of there best kept secrets he said if every one knewthat Match Kings were good for hunting that they would never sell any game Kings just a little info from some one that shoots for a job and thaought you Guys would enjoy a little saying we have amoung fellow Snipers "you can run but why die tired"
darkwader
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Sniper that is all I ever shot until I lost a great friend shot while hunting in Greogia I stop shooting sold everything load equipment guns but shooting factory loads and hand loads is like night and day use to find factory load were not all the same. I am back in to hunting thanks to my father.
Olf Art I tell people I don't care guns I have a dog that barks here but bites over there. named 45 ACP
Olf Art I tell people I don't care guns I have a dog that barks here but bites over there. named 45 ACP
Sniper
One thing I used to do was buy 4-5 boxes of bullets at a time. Then go through and weigh each bullet and makes sets of +3, +2, +1, +/-0, -1, -2, -3. It actually did make a difference. This way you can eliminate a percentage of flyers. If the whole group eases in one direction a bit you are still repeatable within the group.
The reality is the deer or perp at the other end don't know if he was hit by a flyer or a zeroed round. By the time your playing these kinds of games your groups are so tight there isn't much difference.
Olf Art
The human factor will always be the largest variable, as well as the most unpredictable.
Scotty
One thing I used to do was buy 4-5 boxes of bullets at a time. Then go through and weigh each bullet and makes sets of +3, +2, +1, +/-0, -1, -2, -3. It actually did make a difference. This way you can eliminate a percentage of flyers. If the whole group eases in one direction a bit you are still repeatable within the group.
The reality is the deer or perp at the other end don't know if he was hit by a flyer or a zeroed round. By the time your playing these kinds of games your groups are so tight there isn't much difference.
Olf Art
The human factor will always be the largest variable, as well as the most unpredictable.
Scotty
Scotty
I do the same thing I shoot a lot of long range matches and I weigh the cases also but what is crazy about this whole thing is the Black hills ammo I told you guy's about shoots as good as my best reloads up to 600 yrds the last match I shoot at 600 yrds I shot a 598 out of a possable 600 and I had 47 X's out of 60 shots and considering the X ring is only 4 inches in diamater I don't think that was to bad for factory ammo as a Sniper we are oblegated to shooting factory ammo on real opperations but I can shoot hand loads for practice.
I do the same thing I shoot a lot of long range matches and I weigh the cases also but what is crazy about this whole thing is the Black hills ammo I told you guy's about shoots as good as my best reloads up to 600 yrds the last match I shoot at 600 yrds I shot a 598 out of a possable 600 and I had 47 X's out of 60 shots and considering the X ring is only 4 inches in diamater I don't think that was to bad for factory ammo as a Sniper we are oblegated to shooting factory ammo on real opperations but I can shoot hand loads for practice.
Sniper, the best of shooters will, on any given day, have a round that goes astray. It's nothing more than just a round that just goes wide. Stuff happens ... you can't take it personally.
When it happens it doesn't mean that you did anything wrong, that you don't know how to shoot, or that the weapon, or the scope, or the shooting Gods had suddenly forsaken you. All it means is that for that one time you didn't do as well as you had hoped. Leave it there.
This thinking is one of the reasons I started this thread. A score of 598 out of 600 tells me that you were only victim to one the varibles, and that you are a damn fine shooter. I've shot two 96 out of 100 bird flights in trap shooting and in both cases I knew those other four birds were gonna turn to powder when I squeezed off, but for some reason they didn't. Does this mean that I can't shoot? I've learned to not take it that way.
When it happens it doesn't mean that you did anything wrong, that you don't know how to shoot, or that the weapon, or the scope, or the shooting Gods had suddenly forsaken you. All it means is that for that one time you didn't do as well as you had hoped. Leave it there.
This thinking is one of the reasons I started this thread. A score of 598 out of 600 tells me that you were only victim to one the varibles, and that you are a damn fine shooter. I've shot two 96 out of 100 bird flights in trap shooting and in both cases I knew those other four birds were gonna turn to powder when I squeezed off, but for some reason they didn't. Does this mean that I can't shoot? I've learned to not take it that way.
Glenn Hutchinson
Well-known member
Whitebear, did you know that much of the reloading equipment sold by the big name manufactures is made under Lee patients. And acording to one of Sierra's tech's the Matchkings do not have a heavy tapered jacket, thus will not preform well on game! Their tech line is 1-800-223-8799. They will even recomend a different brand of bullet if they feel it will help you, I know they did me. And this is why I respect Sierra components so much, if they say it, I believe it!
Glenn
I had no clue. I'm not down on Lees technology at all. Their early stuff was just a load of junk. Had to seat bullets with a hammer and had to dip powder with lil tiny measuring cups. Nearly nothing about them was repeatable. This was the kit that I tossed in the trash. From that I bought a Lyman 310 tool and still think its one of the best reloader tools available anywhere at any price. I finally bought an RCBS Single stage bench press.
I have used Sierra bullets for a lot of years in my 6mm and that was my standard hunting bullet. Sierra Spitzer 100 Gr. .243 dia. For those new to reloading reading this, 6mm was originally sold as .244 caliber. Says .244/6mm on the barrel even. The .243 is so close it works perfectly. To my knowledge nobody ever actually made a .244 dia bullet. it may be that Remington called it a .244 so as not to step on Winchesters toes back then. I had boxes and boxes of Remington .244 brass that I got with the gun as once fired. It worked just fine. Still not convinced the bullet they loaded in it was .244 though.
I kinda moved to some Barnes bullets cause they made the small 100Gr in a partition bullet, I had thought it might hold together some better in Georgia sized deer. Never got to test out that idea though. I did shoot a bunch of em at paper with great results.
Scotty
I had no clue. I'm not down on Lees technology at all. Their early stuff was just a load of junk. Had to seat bullets with a hammer and had to dip powder with lil tiny measuring cups. Nearly nothing about them was repeatable. This was the kit that I tossed in the trash. From that I bought a Lyman 310 tool and still think its one of the best reloader tools available anywhere at any price. I finally bought an RCBS Single stage bench press.
I have used Sierra bullets for a lot of years in my 6mm and that was my standard hunting bullet. Sierra Spitzer 100 Gr. .243 dia. For those new to reloading reading this, 6mm was originally sold as .244 caliber. Says .244/6mm on the barrel even. The .243 is so close it works perfectly. To my knowledge nobody ever actually made a .244 dia bullet. it may be that Remington called it a .244 so as not to step on Winchesters toes back then. I had boxes and boxes of Remington .244 brass that I got with the gun as once fired. It worked just fine. Still not convinced the bullet they loaded in it was .244 though.
I kinda moved to some Barnes bullets cause they made the small 100Gr in a partition bullet, I had thought it might hold together some better in Georgia sized deer. Never got to test out that idea though. I did shoot a bunch of em at paper with great results.
Scotty