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I don't know if this has been on her ebefore or not but here it is.

I think this is on flairboat.com

Long-awaited airboat study to finally show results
By Terry Witt

The Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission will meet in September to discuss a long-awaited airboat sound study, but the results will be kept under wraps until then, an FWC official said on Tuesday.

Capt. Richard Moore said a draft report of the airboat sound study is being circulated for "peer review," but the report won't be made public until Florida Atlantic University researchers reveal the study's findings Sept. 21 in St. Petersburg Beach.

FWC's seven-member board of commissioners will listen to a presentation and take public comment.

The Florida Legislature assigned FWC the job of researching airboat sound in an effort to resolve conflicts between airboat users and waterfront communities. Waterfront residents sometimes complain about excessive noise from the propeller-driven vessels.

In Citrus County, the county commission has delayed acting on an ordinance aimed at limiting vessel noise until the results of the FAU report are made public. FWC has made no promises about making a rule, but is being pressured to find a solution to the conflicts.

"There's a lot of pressure to do something. Alachua County is in the middle of this, and so is Citrus County," Moore said. "The plan is to look at the data. There will probably be a push to require mufflers on airboats as opposed to just a flex pipe. Where it goes from there I don't know."

During the study, researchers measured the sound from airboats at different distances and tested combinations of mufflers and propellers to determine if certain designs muffled noise better than others. The research also looked the distances noise travels from airboats and how the speed of the boats can affect the level of noise.

Moore said the controversy continues to build.

"I think the near-point of volatility will be at that commission meeting," he said. "I think based on the input we're getting from both sides, something is going to be done. Something needs to be done."

FAU had promised a preliminary report on the airboat study, but Moore said FWC decided not to go that route. He said a preliminary report on airboat sound had been released to airboat groups on one other occasion, and a debate erupted about how to interpret the data.

Frank Shepard, an Arbor Lakes resident who is fighting for new rules to control airboat noise, said he would be attending the Sept. 21 meeting in St. Petersburg, but questions how FWC has handled the study.

"Why has it taken so long? Why didn't we get the preliminary report and why can't the county commission do something else while they wait for the study's results?" he said.

Commissioners have agreed to Shepard's request for a Florida Attorney General's opinion on whether idle speed zones can be established for the purpose of limiting airboat noise.

Attempts to contact Citrus County Airboat Alliance President Bob Hoover and Vice President Joe Springer for comment were unsuccessful.

HAVE YOUR SAY

* The seven-member Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation board of commissioners will meet Wednesday and Thursday, Sept. 21 and 22, at the Tradewinds Island Grand Resort in St. Petersburg Beach.

* The airboat study will be discussed on the first day of the meeting. The commission meeting begins at 8:30 a.m. The resort address is 5500 Gulf Blvd., St. Petersburg Beach. Those wishing to speak must fill out a speaker's card when they enter the meeting room.

* FWC spokesman Henry Cabbage said the FWC board will discuss another topic before the airboat study � biodiversity goals and manatee protection zones � but he anticipates the study will come up for discussion within the first hour. The meeting is open to the public.
 
Our potential lobbyist Bonnie Basham (If we raise the $$ to pay her) has asked G&F for a copy of the report under "peer review." She will be in attendance representing the boating rights group Standing Watch, of which the FAA is a member. We may find out what's in the report beforehand, however I don't think there will be much new info in it.

There will be a delegation from the Florida Airboat Association present to comment on the issue. I believe BigDaddy Dave Markett and Terri Later of Airboat World will be present, so if you want to coordinate a response, you may want to drop them a line.

Should you attend, topics to state to the Commission:

You will have 3 minutes to speak, so get to the point...........

1) It's airboat SOUND not NOISE. Noise is a bias term, sound is neutral.

2) Ask for G&F endorsement & support for the FAA proposed legislation.

3) Remind the Commissioners that Airboat Sportsmen-Conservations donate much relieve & volunteer efforts back to the citizens of Florida and to the benefit of our wildlife. State what your club/group does.

4) The Commission by charter is supposed to be the voice of reason & support for the outdoorsmen & sportsmen of Florida and need to assist the airboat-sportsmen of Florida protecting our heritage & recreation.

Happy hunting,
PW

PS
The last few meeting the antis were very rude. This works to our advantage. Alway leave rude to them & for us to turn on our Southern manners.
 
You all know the nut case lady that is a real airboat hater the one that stated airboats increase her blood pressure and cause her all sorts of health problems. I think Basket case or Country Emailed her and she went ballistic because they said God Bless you and bombarded her with kindness. Some one should Email her about this meeting maybe she will show. Just remember be polite and courteous because Politeness and courtesy goes much further with the commissioners than being vulgar or a smart ass.
 
this is what your talking about , I must have made this person really mad because this is what I found today.


A real Christian could not torment and torture--Satan does. You do not even care or want to know the names of your victims--That makes you feel godly. Out of sight out of mind---I am a victim and you do not even ask for forgiveness for tormenting me or people like me--Love your neighbor--is a command--Your fruit is hate and you hate your victims for trying to get you to stop what you are doing to them. You refuse to repent and produce peace and love. you produce torment and hate----There is a Lake of Fire for the unrepentent--Deuteronomy states-----Cursed be he who removes his neighbor's landmark----Each time you enter a property or home with your tormenting sounds, you are placing a curse on yourself----grieving the spirit continuously is not a ticket to God's Heaven. REPENT!!!! Your prayers are not Godly prayers but are godly prayers! I do not accept them--I rebuke them and cast them out in the name and blood of Jesus


Wow is all I can say. I have been nothing but nice and did not say anything bad to this person. I was just stating my opinion, as she was. But this is crazy. She has no idea what type of person I am and who my husband is. I guess my husband as got me started with this because I am definately going to get a hold of my officials and try to take care of this.
Airboating is the only thing my husband enjoys and people like this try to take it away. Not if I can help it. You guys look out, this has motivated me to take it to the next level and fight for you guys
 
Ms. CC,
Seems this woman has lit a fire under you....Bravo! We all know that she has some real "issues". And I'll bet her motivation wasn't to inspire airboaters to step up to the plate and fight for our rights. But you never know where inspiration will come from, huh?
I'm completely with you, Ms. CC, and if there's anything I can do to help, just let me know.
 
--My ancestors were here first------to include Jesus Christ the Lord!!!
The minute you suggest to anyone that they should move, you are confirming
our points concerning airboats----They are so dangerous and create so much
of a war zone-that normal human life can not survive and must evacuate. I
have met quite a few airboat refugees. Refugees evacuate because the area is
life threatening. So you are saying that where I live the airboaters have
created a war zone of horrendous bombardment that my life is in danger and I
must escape. I will send your request to my attorney who will add it to the
list of other air boaters who have confirmed that airboats are dangerous to
human life and very probably all life except those abnormal beings who can
tolerate wartime bombardment activity. There are now about 200 confirmations
that airboats are so dangerous that the air boaters themselves request
evacuation and refugee status in order to maintain life. Thank you for
helping us build our case!!! you are a blessing to all who want to ban
airboats! Thank you again!!!! I will save your comments!

-----Original Message-----
From: WSCContactFormRobot@secureserver.net
[mailto:WSCContactFormRobot@secureserver.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 1:01 PM
To: Trudy
 
Nice posting to all above.
I think that what Gatorstick had to say was very important.

The pro-airboat meeting attendees must project a postive image, and a consistent message. Perhaps a pre-meeting strategy session for all who plan on speaking would be a good idea. This may help to plan for some of the individuals speaking, to make sure all of our talking points get covered effectively.

A consistent message that covers the key points for our side of the issues will get our goals acheived. Especially if presented in a polite and adult manner.

We'll look pretty darn reasonable when the other side goes off on one rant after another

I'm gonna be there if theres any way possible.

I'd like to see the FAA endorsed legeslation. What consessions does it propose to make in airboat sound reduction? Thats the first time I've heard any reference to that.
 
Thunder,

Not me with the e-mail to "locotrudy"!

Luckily for all of us I won't be at any of the meetings like this!

I've seen and had enough with the "yankee" way of life that has been brought down upon me!

Cowboy,

I'm also a lifetime member of "P.U.T.Y."!

People for the Unethical Treatment of Yankees!

Basketcase
 
Hey I heard a good joke what’s the difference between a Yankee and a dam Yankee the Yankee goes home and the dam Yankee stay’s.
 
Ya'll made me feel so bad for MS TRUDy that I felt compelled to drop her a note of concern..

Hi Ms. Trudy: (that's my southern manners comin out there)

I am taking this moment of my time to address your concerns about sound. I am sure you are aware that the vibrating effect of sound produces a massage like affect on the human body. I believe the BEACH BOYS, a rather well known musical group, recorded a song entitled "GOOD VIBRATIONS" probably for this very reason. I have photographic proof that even small children benefit from this affect by the fact that they often times fall sound asleep while riding on airboats due to the soothing nature of the sound and hence the vibration/massage.

I have spent many years driving and riding on airboats and I have never once seen any type of bird, animal or reptile that has been killed, harmed or even confused by the sound produced. It would certainly make the outdoors a much safer area if this were true because we would no longer have a need to discharge a firearm to exercise the privilege of hunting and no one would get harmed by stray bullets, which go much farther than sound does. I also must mention that the incidences of lead poisoning would be reduced among the migratory waterfowl which fly down every year to be killed.

The only refugees I have ever ran across where airboats are concerned were very glad to see the airboats as they needed evacuation from flood waters and the like. In fact many have said they knew their prayers had been answered once the heard the airboats coming to their rescue. There are many documented cases of this euphoric feeling in the media. I also have heard more than one refugee exclaim that the sound of that airboat was the sweetest sound they ever heard. (maybe it was the vibration thing again)

Now the one point that worries me in all of this is your continuous referrals to GOD and SATAN. I believe, depending on who you ask, that you may be confused in this area. I do not believe those above mentioned refugees were confused over who to thank for the airboats. I have heard them personally THANK GOD on numerous occasions involving airboats. Maybe if you were to somehow arrive at a point of peace in your life things would clear up for you in this area. (again I refer to the "GOOD VIBRATIONS" theme)

Airboats and their operators have a huge economical impact on the FLORIDA ECONOMY in the fact that the fuel costs, maintenance cost, motel and restaurant expenses are by no means to be taken lightly. I know I spend thousands of dollars a year for the privilege of enjoying the FLORIDA outdoors.

I certainly do not believe you should move unless it is closer to the water. I believe you should search within your soul and ask GOD to help you to relax so you may enjoy the positive and GOOD VIBRATIONS that come from airboats. I will say a prayer for you and the other misguided souls who are on your website in hopes that GOD will see his way clear to helping ya'll as only a kind and loving GOD can. It is not the place of man to forgive that is GODS job and maybe that is wherein some of your bitterness comes from, you have gotten over into GODS territory and he aint happy about it. Yes I believe maybe that is it, I will pray on that and see what turns up maybe GOD will lay a healing hand on your hurting soul and you will at last find "GOOD VIBRATIONS".

You take care now and stay inside during lightning storms and watch out for falling trees and the like until I can get my prayers in for you. GOD BLESS you and yours.

...........................................

I hope it soothes her soul.
 
Fellow gracious Southerners,

Please don't attack the less fortunate who are mentally deficient. The vast majority of our attackers fall in this realm.

From their logic that airboats create "war zones," the same for:

* The NAACP states the Confederate flag represents racism and the South fought strictly to preserve slavery

*Kennedy, Kerry, Clinton, ect state that guns commit crime and the rights of the citizens must be curtailed to remedy this evil

*The Dept. of Education & teachers Unions, with massively increased budgets and producing an inferior product, demand more money for their failed social experiments involving our children while never admitting wrongs or change of path

*The ACLU sues to take "God" from our pledge claiming separation of church & state...........

Hope you start to see a pattern here. It's all about the "better, smarter, academic elitists who arrive in our garden of Eden (after polluting & ravaging their own) & must remove the heathen, ignorant savages (formally the Indians, now us) from the garden for their own good.

So much for rambling.....don't get me started........

Lets just set our goals, tell our story & continue our efforts to aid our fellow man while protecting our interests and let the mentally deficient do what they must do.
Believe it or not, we are on the right path, doing the right things, opening the right doors of public communication, with more effective means & methods bringing group unity in the future and rational minds to the table that will prevail, so lets not continue on this subject.

Happy hunting,
PW
 
The constitution protects religion from the government, but the aclu has turned that around 180 degrees.

Liberal thinking people want to redistribute any wealth you may accumulate to the less fortunate in many different ways.

Anti- gun groups want to take your fire arms freedoms, as that sort of extreme freedoms is too costly for society. Thay don't feel comfortable themselves with being responsible for that level of individual liberty, and are certain that if they can't do it, then you most assuredly won't handle it properly.

I really think that airboat sound is just a part of their problem. They see people taking an responsibillity for themselves, while enjoying the massive freedom that airboating provides. There just no way they will do that, and seeing someone else go where their afraid too, burns their tails.

They'd rather rest easy knowing that they've prevented people from exploring the wilderness places, thet they will never lay eyes on.

Your right Mood / Gatorstick.

This is a public forum, and anything here can be used as a weapon.

I don't think we have threatened anyone, but the way some people twist everything around nowadays, you never know what they'll try and use as a weapon.
 
Cntry141 you have enlightened me I thought for sure I was the biggest most sarcastic smart ass on this board well now I know better and you have raised the bar to a new level. I’m sick and tired of these winning do gooders taking away my rights. I’m to dam busy working and supporting my family to be worried about what other people are doing. How do (anti) gunners, airboaters, church, Peta and all the other rights stealing organizations have so much time on their hands that they can constantly be working to take my rights away. As mentioned before most of these people have a limited mental dexterity so the dumb asses flock to these groups while the real men and women are working to keep all of us feed because a lot of the people that are taking away my rights don’t even work. I’m sorry guy’s I’m just sick and tired of seeing my rights dissolving away. What kind of life will our children have when these groups have stripped Americans of all their rights.
 
thunder you hit the nail on the head.were do they find the time?
there are alot of miserable people in the world today and we all know the saying misery loves company. I for one try to exercise my constitutional right to persue happiness and airboating most of the time fulfills that goal.I do not wish to impose misery on anyone. nuff said good day!
 
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