New stand and cage for my fishing rig

[papee]

I have a few weeks off work(I'm having a knee replaced) so While I'm waiting I decided to redo my rig. Here's the old.

I use it for fishing and I'm now running an 18 hp Briggs Commercial. It has a 42" prop. It's a 6x16 and it will plane.

I'm getting ready to move up to 35 hp and a 52" prop. I'm building to use that setup but will use my current motor and prop for the rest of the season. My question is how much more bracing do you think I need? Of course it is not done now but I only plane to put a few in the bottom of the stand for the gas tank and battery.. Think once I get all those in it will be ok? I'm trying to keep the weight down. I'm already lighter once completed, the old setup weighed a ton.

Thanks in advance, papee

 

[papee]

I used photoshop to show where the rest of the bracing will be in Yellow

 

[Olf Art]

Papee, in your photoshop illustration I don't see any diagonal bracing.

I'd like to see you do a little triangulation back in the area of that rear square. You'll be more than doubling the thrust of your boat with the new engine and bigger prop ..... time to think about twisting loads as well as well as pushing loads on your rigging. Triangulate against the direction of rotation for twist, and throw in a couple of diagonals, one each side forward of that box for the increased thrust. Just my opinion.

Jim, one of our site moderators is a trained structural engineer. PM him and he'll help.

Good luck on your surgery.

olf

 

[papee]

Thanks Olf. I wasn't thinking sideways torque. I was thinking that since I used bends I could get away with lest triangulation. That's why I posted here.

I always remember what my old boss use to tell me in concrete work " Davie(he calls me Davie), you never know when you have too many braces, but you always know when you don't have enough."

 

[papee]

While I await the experts so I don't have to do anything over, I put on the front and rear of the cage. The props are just olds ones I had that I put on for clearance and alignment.

 

[papee]

I got a lot more done today but I forgot to take pics. Only took the one. This was about lunch time. I managed to get all the cross bracing in, battery trays, and fuel tank tray in. Tomorrow is wiring and steering

I don't use a return spring on my throttle, so here's my steering idea. I already use the pulley system for my stick but I'm thinking about going Foot control. The reason for this is I get my lures stuck alot when the water is low. Many times I'm using the trolling motor and it's foot controlled so it's not a problem then.
I did search and saw some of the foot controls with the "handlebar" type.
With my cable system, full cycle left to right takes 12" of travel on the cable so I'm figuring each pedal would have to travel 6 inches. One would go down and the other would come up an the oposite to turn the other way.

The only problem with this is that I will probably use a return spring on the new engine when I change over the winter. I'll need three feet

SO here's my idea. A double pedal.

:?

 

[cowboy]

Papee,
Check this out.

You'll notice the throttle petal on the footsteer t-bar. It is controlling a jacketed throttle cable, and return spring on the carb lever brings it back to closed.

Look at the Quadrant in front of the engine. One on each side of the boat.
Two cables from the steering quadrant go down to a small pulley system to a quadrant on the rudder.

 

[dblj006]

Papee,
That's looking pretty good there. What size tubing are you using?

 

[cowboy]

His work does look nice DblJ.
Real nice.

My post above yours was done in haste this morning before work.

Papee,
I was not trying to say your foot steering ideas wont work.
They probably will work just fine. Just trying to share the method used by many with foorsteering down here. I say many, cause it is not the only way I have seen it done.

Rock on Papee!

It's all good man.

 

[D-BREWSTER]

COWBOY WHO'S 1/4 DECK 4 BANGER BOAT IS THAT ? MAN I HAVENT SEEN ONE OF THEM LIL BUEATY'S IN A WHILE , AND FOOT STEERING TO BOOT !! I KNOW THATS A FROG SLAYING SON OF A GUN RIGHT THERE !! I LIKE THAT COLOR TOO PURDY BOAT BRO..

 

[cowboy]

That baby is a ground screameer.

Gary and Sean Capps built it.
It was small, and narrow for running gardners dry.

Tooten 0320, and it would flat get it.

Yeah, it would frog all night, and hardly put a dent in your wallet too!

It would do all that with a skunkape operating it also!

Yeah, My brother ran it most of the time.

We sold it a while back to some fellas who said the run at Micco Bluff alot.

They came over here to look at it, and said if it would run dry, the had money and would take it home.

I stormed it up the hill that is my front yard, stopped at the trailer tail, and eased it up on there.

Game over. They took it home.

The big blue header photo on the home page is the Skunkape "Canefan"
Riding that boat on Okeechobee with some bungee cord kids in the back.

I was kinda sorry to see it go.

That boat was a real firecracker.

 

[papee]

Cowboy I saw that setup when I searched. I guess I just one of those guys who has to be different. The handlebar type kinda scares me because if you hit something(read Rocks, big rocks) there in nothing to hold you still. Just my opinion.

I'm using 1" dom and 3/4 conduit. I got a lot done but agin no pics. I keep forgetting to take pics. I got the steering done, but I still need to put some kind of pedal on the pipe that I used for the arm. I also made a battery hold down. Metal studs have as many uses as duct tape.

I actually have it running again. I need to finish the wiring and run a new throttle cable. I t seems to be better as far as weight distrubution. I had it on a flat dolly I made and it seeme to balance pretty well, not real back heavy like it was before. I'll have some more "tweakin" to do. When I started it up the nose pushed to the ground(on the cart) so I may need to shim the motor some.

 

[papee]

Oh and I may not be done with the steering yet. If I put another pulley at the front, I can change it to one pedal for the steering and one throttle. I think I'll use it this way for a while to see how I like it. Turning with some air against it may be a different story.

Also I joined here because I respect all of your oppions, while I use a different setup than most, nost rules still apply. Well except mybe the Close your eyes and give it a handful rule. When you hit these rocks here you pretty much just stop instantly.

Last year I ran across the river at night to pick someone up and hit a big on. If it weren't fot my front pedestal seat, I would have went off the front.

 

[papee]

Well I'm back on the water again. I was out about 6 hours and everything work great. The foot steering works great BUT, With my bad knees I'm not sure it's a good move at this point. It takes a little getting use to. For some reason the stick is just automatic but I sometime steer the wrong way with the pedals. I added a stick when I got back with a removable top section so I can take it off. This is so I can swivel my seat when fishing. The best of both worlds. I can use either foot or stick.

 

[Olf Art]

Papee, it's not necessary to reinvent the wheel.

olf