NGQ...

[BW92]

Currently spinning a 74 2 blade Water Walker sig on my low hour AV540. It pushes my boat decent......

I cant help but see everyone talking about the NGQ's and how much more push they are getting

Would it be worth the swap? Or from a 2 blade to 3?

Some ive talked to say stay with what i have.

Mainly looking to go where i want when i want with some weight on the boat. ie. 4 people, cooler etc..

 

[John Fenner]

Well I can say that the Whirlwind Whisper tip "which replaced the stump puller" is my preferred airscrew for best performance, I would not suggest a 3 blade at all.

 

[BW92]

Well I can say that the Whirlwind Whisper tip "which replaced the stump puller" is my preferred airscrew for best performance, I would not suggest a 3 blade at all.

I appreciate the feedback. The last owner said it had a 3 blade when he got it, (unsure which one) and said it wouldn’t hardly run dry at all.

That’s when he switched to a 2 blade.

 

[lariat]

I have a straight valve 540.....Had the 74" NGQ. It performed great, but I had some harmonic issues with it. Switched to a 3 blade 72" Carbon Concept signature. It does really good.

 

[lariat]

BTW.......I do run more dry than the average airboater.

 

[BW92]

I have a straight valve 540.....Had the 74" NGQ. It performed great, but I had some harmonic issues with it. Switched to a 3 blade 72" Carbon Concept signature. It does really good.

Do you think you gained any push with the CC since the switch? Or just calmed the issues you had?

 

[John Fenner]

I appreciate the feedback. The last owner said it had a 3 blade when he got it, (unsure which one) and said it wouldn’t hardly run dry at all.

That’s when he switched to a 2 blade.

Well, first off, not knowing the hull and rigging configuration it is hard to really suggest the best advice here, it sounds like a weight vs horsepower issue "hull displacement as well" does it have polymer on the bottom? carrying an extra person there, if slick bottom is on it, time for a re coat. Who knows what that engine has in it, that is a deeper question, many narratives here.

 

[kwanjangnihm]

BTW.......I do run more dry than the average airboater.

 

[kwanjangnihm]

BW92 - what hull & rigging setup do you have now? Where do you have the Sig pitched at? (1,2,3)

 

[Slidin Gator]

Mainly looking to go where i want when i want with some weight on the boat. ie. 4 people, cooler etc..

The NGQ ain't gonna make your rig push 4 people and a cooler anywhere you want to go period. I got a 2-seater and I have a weight limit for riders. I carry a small cooler, sometimes I have to drink warm beer and have even been down to hot water every now and then.

There is a small margin of gain to be had with a new generation of prop, but you would be way better served focusing on the load. Pick the heaviest of the 3 riders you are looking to carry and get them their own boat, then you can carry 4 folks with 2 boats anywhere you want to go, it's more fun that way anyhow.

I run the NGQ, 2 blade, 74" cut down to 72" (i.e. winglets removed) on a AV 540. I love the prop and it does push great. I have used a Q and whirlwind whisper tip (both 72") previously and find the NGQ works the best for me.

I find the NGQ works best for me by keeping RPMs down on ground and pushing the best from a dead stop (i.e. pushes down low). That said, the boat ran where I want with any of the previous props, the NGQ didn't change my decision making (not always optimum).

Those WW Sig props work just fine. I wouldn't change it for your described goal, but I would start thinking about how old it is and just how many "close" friends I need.

Well I can say that the Whirlwind Whisper tip "which replaced the stump puller" is my preferred airscrew for best performance, I would not suggest a 3 blade at all.

I think Jon and I have different measures of "performance", and that's cool.

My experience with the 2 blade Whisper Tip and the older Q is very similar (they are both 10-1/2" wide blades, that Sig and NGQ are closer to 12). They push really well, spin up quickly and give 60+ top ends. Switching to the NGQ I found that spin up/response became more linear, which made the boat less "jumpy" so I can hold a more constant RPM on ground and operate closer to 0 without actually stopping. I do feel I netted a bit more (~5%???) thrust at WOT stuck on ground, but I gave up top end speed/thrust (55 MPH top end now).

Since my son gets my hand me down's, he ended up with the 72" whisper tip when we sorted out who runs what boat. He described the difference the best, the whisper tip let's him spin it up quickly when needed to keep running through the black mud etc., and the boat fly's, but starting from a dead stop the NGQ wins. He wants an NGQ but hasn't sent enough heavy vegetation, beer cans, pocket knives etc. through the WT to make it worth coughing up the cash.

Me, I'ma cruise control sort, make me

I always thought those WW Sig blades looked like clubs and must have been designed by Bam Bam from the Flintstones. But that doesn't mean they don't work good for the purpose.

Whatever you do, stick with 2 blades if the goal involves a load and ground.

 

[Seven3]

14 footer with a SV540 swinging a 72” NGQ. Great running boat. Runs dry, and I’ve hit 69mph with it. NGQ is all I will run. Best prop on a heavier boat.

 

[BW92]

BW92 - what hull & rigging setup do you have now? Where do you have the Sig pitched at? (1,2,3)

Well, first off, not knowing the hull and rigging configuration it is hard to really suggest the best advice here, it sounds like a weight vs horsepower issue "hull displacement as well" does it have polymer on the bottom? carrying an extra person there, if slick bottom is on it, time for a re coat. Who knows what that engine has in it, that is a deeper question, many narratives here.

13'6 Gilleo 4 seat conduit rigging.
There's no sticker or pitch notches except one "rib" which is inline where the halves of the hub meet, if that makes any sense... i was able to find it pitched to 6 degrees.

John Fenner: I know its a JR Jurnigan build. That's as much as i know unfortunately. 13'6 Gilleo with slick bottom. 4 seat boat.

The NGQ ain't gonna make your rig push 4 people and a cooler anywhere you want to go period. I got a 2-seater and I have a weight limit for riders. I carry a small cooler, sometimes I have to drink warm beer and have even been down to hot water every now and then.

There is a small margin of gain to be had with a new generation of prop, but you would be way better served focusing on the load. Pick the heaviest of the 3 riders you are looking to carry and get them their own boat, then you can carry 4 folks with 2 boats anywhere you want to go, it's more fun that way anyhow.

I run the NGQ, 2 blade, 74" cut down to 72" (i.e. winglets removed) on a AV 540. I love the prop and it does push great. I have used a Q and whirlwind whisper tip (both 72") previously and find the NGQ works the best for me.

I find the NGQ works best for me by keeping RPMs down on ground and pushing the best from a dead stop (i.e. pushes down low). That said, the boat ran where I want with any of the previous props, the NGQ didn't change my decision making (not always optimum).

Those WW Sig props work just fine. I wouldn't change it for your described goal, but I would start thinking about how old it is and just how many "close" friends I need.




I think Jon and I have different measures of "performance", and that's cool.

My experience with the 2 blade Whisper Tip and the older Q is very similar (they are both 10-1/2" wide blades, that Sig and NGQ are closer to 12). They push really well, spin up quickly and give 60+ top ends. Switching to the NGQ I found that spin up/response became more linear, which made the boat less "jumpy" so I can hold a more constant RPM on ground and operate closer to 0 without actually stopping. I do feel I netted a bit more (~5%???) thrust at WOT stuck on ground, but I gave up top end speed/thrust (55 MPH top end now).

Since my son gets my hand me down's, he ended up with the 72" whisper tip when we sorted out who runs what boat. He described the difference the best, the whisper tip let's him spin it up quickly when needed to keep running through the black mud etc., and the boat fly's, but starting from a dead stop the NGQ wins. He wants an NGQ but hasn't sent enough heavy vegetation, beer cans, pocket knives etc. through the WT to make it worth coughing up the cash.

Me, I'ma cruise control sort, make me

I always thought those WW Sig blades looked like clubs and must have been designed by Bam Bam from the Flintstones. But that doesn't mean they don't work good for the purpose.

Whatever you do, stick with 2 blades if the goal involves a load and ground.

My prop is still in excellent shape besides some sun fading so I'm trying to keep it in such condition for resale maybe lol.

I find myself really having to wrap the motor up to start pushing. I spoke to Andrew at carbon concepts and he suggested making sure my
prop was pitched correctly as well before making any decisions.

I don't need to take 4 people and its not an every trip scenario either. Mainly family I want to enjoy the same blessing I'm able to enjoy type of thing, but i do completely understand where you're coming from.

14 footer with a SV540 swinging a 72” NGQ. Great running boat. Runs dry, and I’ve hit 69mph with it. NGQ is all I will run. Best prop on a heavier boat.

These types of comments really make me wonder what kind of meat im leaving on the bone as far as push and performance.

From what I can tell your prop appears to definitely be pitched harder than mine.

I slid my boat by hand on BS hill last weekend with 2 people, almost full 35 gallon tank, 5 Gallon can full and cooler full on my own. (150 lbs) heavyweight here

Its not as heavy as one would think is what im trying to say.

 

[kwanjangnihm]

What is your WOT with this setup?

 

[smokster]

i have a big Marty Bray 14'x8' with poly and a s/v o540, 72" NGQ. i tried the 72 ww and a few others but nothing else I've tried pushes my boat like the NGQ.

 

[BW92]

What is your WOT with this setup?

2950ish.

i have a big Marty Bray 14'x8' with poly and a s/v o540, 72" NGQ. i tried the 72 ww and a few others but nothing else I've tried pushes my boat like the NGQ.

Thank you for the feedback. I’m gonna try to choke my WW some more and see what happens. If not then it might be NGQ time. Yours a 2 or 3 blade?

 

[lariat]

Do you think you gained any push with the CC since the switch? Or just calmed the issues you had?

I think Slidin said it very well......neither one changes my decision making of where I can or can't go. I do think the NGQ was a little more "linear" with the push, very little if any difference in overall thrust.

2950ish.

Thank you for the feedback. I’m gonna try to choke my WW some more and see what happens. If not then it might be NGQ time. Yours a 2 or 3 blade?

I would definetly say that you should try to put some more pitch in it.....2750-2800 WOT

 

[BW92]

I think Slidin said it very well......neither one changes my decision making of where I can or can't go. I do think the NGQ was a little more "linear" with the push, very little if any difference in overall thrust.

I would definetly say that you should try to put some more pitch in it.....2750-2800 WOT

Yes sir im going to pitch it and see what happens.

Thank you for the responses.

 

[kwanjangnihm]

I ran a 2 & 3 blade 72" Sig on my heavy 14' cottonmouth with and AV540. I could go most places, but had to watch out for black mud and thick green stuff. The Sig's really didn't start to push until about 2200 rpms and up. I tested a 3 blade 72" Q and got almost the same results although the Q started pushing earlier and with less rpm's. With the 3 blade setup, I was trading less snap for more push.

You are on the right track testing your prop at a different pitch & rpms.

Be sure your slick bottom is good and also change your motor angle a washer or 2 each way to see if it helps. You want it right on the edge of porposing for an all around ride/hunt boat.

Let us know how things go!

On this video you can see me battling the black monster at the 12:40 minute mark. I was heading into the marsh, watching some young turkeys in the trail, not paying attention and slid right into the shit!!

 

[smokster]

2950ish.

Thank you for the feedback. I’m gonna try to choke my WW some more and see what happens. If not then it might be NGQ time. Yours a 2 or 3 blade?

mine is a two blade

 

[Groundhog]

The NGQ ain't gonna make your rig push 4 people and a cooler anywhere you want to go period. I got a 2-seater and I have a weight limit for riders. I carry a small cooler, sometimes I have to drink warm beer and have even been down to hot water every now and then.

There is a small margin of gain to be had with a new generation of prop, but you would be way better served focusing on the load. Pick the heaviest of the 3 riders you are looking to carry and get them their own boat, then you can carry 4 folks with 2 boats anywhere you want to go, it's more fun that way anyhow.

I run the NGQ, 2 blade, 74" cut down to 72" (i.e. winglets removed) on a AV 540. I love the prop and it does push great. I have used a Q and whirlwind whisper tip (both 72") previously and find the NGQ works the best for me.

I find the NGQ works best for me by keeping RPMs down on ground and pushing the best from a dead stop (i.e. pushes down low). That said, the boat ran where I want with any of the previous props, the NGQ didn't change my decision making (not always optimum).

Those WW Sig props work just fine. I wouldn't change it for your described goal, but I would start thinking about how old it is and just how many "close" friends I need.




I think Jon and I have different measures of "performance", and that's cool.

My experience with the 2 blade Whisper Tip and the older Q is very similar (they are both 10-1/2" wide blades, that Sig and NGQ are closer to 12). They push really well, spin up quickly and give 60+ top ends. Switching to the NGQ I found that spin up/response became more linear, which made the boat less "jumpy" so I can hold a more constant RPM on ground and operate closer to 0 without actually stopping. I do feel I netted a bit more (~5%???) thrust at WOT stuck on ground, but I gave up top end speed/thrust (55 MPH top end now).

Since my son gets my hand me down's, he ended up with the 72" whisper tip when we sorted out who runs what boat. He described the difference the best, the whisper tip let's him spin it up quickly when needed to keep running through the black mud etc., and the boat fly's, but starting from a dead stop the NGQ wins. He wants an NGQ but hasn't sent enough heavy vegetation, beer cans, pocket knives etc. through the WT to make it worth coughing up the cash.

Me, I'ma cruise control sort, make me

I always thought those WW Sig blades looked like clubs and must have been designed by Bam Bam from the Flintstones. But that doesn't mean they don't work good for the purpose.

Whatever you do, stick with 2 blades if the goal involves a load and ground.

The NGQ ain't gonna make your rig push 4 people and a cooler anywhere you want to go period. I got a 2-seater and I have a weight limit for riders. I carry a small cooler, sometimes I have to drink warm beer and have even been down to hot water every now and then.

There is a small margin of gain to be had with a new generation of prop, but you would be way better served focusing on the load. Pick the heaviest of the 3 riders you are looking to carry and get them their own boat, then you can carry 4 folks with 2 boats anywhere you want to go, it's more fun that way anyhow.

I run the NGQ, 2 blade, 74" cut down to 72" (i.e. winglets removed) on a AV 540. I love the prop and it does push great. I have used a Q and whirlwind whisper tip (both 72") previously and find the NGQ works the best for me.

I find the NGQ works best for me by keeping RPMs down on ground and pushing the best from a dead stop (i.e. pushes down low). That said, the boat ran where I want with any of the previous props, the NGQ didn't change my decision making (not always optimum).

Those WW Sig props work just fine. I wouldn't change it for your described goal, but I would start thinking about how old it is and just how many "close" friends I need.




I think Jon and I have different measures of "performance", and that's cool.

My experience with the 2 blade Whisper Tip and the older Q is very similar (they are both 10-1/2" wide blades, that Sig and NGQ are closer to 12). They push really well, spin up quickly and give 60+ top ends. Switching to the NGQ I found that spin up/response became more linear, which made the boat less "jumpy" so I can hold a more constant RPM on ground and operate closer to 0 without actually stopping. I do feel I netted a bit more (~5%???) thrust at WOT stuck on ground, but I gave up top end speed/thrust (55 MPH top end now).

Since my son gets my hand me down's, he ended up with the 72" whisper tip when we sorted out who runs what boat. He described the difference the best, the whisper tip let's him spin it up quickly when needed to keep running through the black mud etc., and the boat fly's, but starting from a dead stop the NGQ wins. He wants an NGQ but hasn't sent enough heavy vegetation, beer cans, pocket knives etc. through the WT to make it worth coughing up the cash.

Me, I'ma cruise control sort, make me

I always thought those WW Sig blades looked like clubs and must have been designed by Bam Bam from the Flintstones. But that doesn't mean they don't work good for the purpose.

Whatever you do, stick with 2 blades if the goal involves a load and ground.

Don’t want to derail this but what is the advantage of cutting the winglets off?

I’ve been considering doing the same to mine. Old timer who I run into frequently in the swamp told me to cut em off as all they do is attract brush as we run tight trails.

For what it’s worth I run a 3 blade.