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THANKS BUT NO THANKS

C

cntry141iq

Silent Prop
R. I. P.
I really appreciate the thought of representing airboaters and re-structuring the FAA.

HOWEVER, I really believe even if I was nominated from SAO, all I would do is cause a vote or two from the delegates to be wasted. My chances of winning would be extremely slim or none.

Please do not cause a rift by placing me on the ballot. The rumor is that change is coming, well lets see if it does. If it does then I say give the FAA money, if not then DO NOT GIVE MONEY.

If no change comes then look for a true representative statewide organization to be formed made of of average joe airboaters speaking for average joe airboaters. I am in favor of waiting a few months to see if change is coming. If they do not allow individual members to join and vote then we will proceed in another direction very quickly.

The FAA has a chance to do this but I seriously doubt that they will but lets see first. Then you will be able to vote by joining the new organization. It will then be very clear which one represents airboaters when the membership rolls are tallied and the FAA has only business members and the other group has real people who cast real votes in real elections then the politicians choice as to whom to pay attention to will be very clear.

SO STAND BY... CHANGE IS COMING.. LETS SEE IF THE FAA CAN HANDLE IT
 
cntry,

I don't understand how you can say yours, (or anybody's) nomination for any FAA position would/could be wasted :roll:

To me....if the FAA would publically post the number of delegates or votes that can be truthfully/legally counted using the present by-laws.

How can any nomination be wasted? With little campaign time here somethings gotta happen fast! One less vote for the "big,bad wolf" would be a step in the right direction. Even if red riding hood didn't get elected :D

Jeff
 
ditto's Jeff.

Bless your heart for asking the tough questions.... how many votes are out there if every member attended/voted? I'm gonna guess a couple hundred at most. And I'll bet that's a very optimistic number. most stuff probably passes or fails by a vote of 30 or 40 in total.

Cntry - please reconsider your reconsiderin'

You have a "No B.S. attitude" that would be good to spread among a lot of airboaters. It's Contagious ya know. ;)

if nothing else, your presence as a candidate may help speed up the painfully slow change that is supposed to be coming.

:)

matt.
 
Before we get too far...I am still waiting on an explanation on exactly how one goes about getting nominated. I have asked and am waiting on a response. John may not even be eligible...you never know.

I have been told that the FAA ByLaws have been reworked..too what extent and if it's official yet I don't know. I expect to have a clearer picture after the meeting.

Right now I am focusing on trying to figure out who can and is going to run for anything, then I'll let everyone know and we can go from there.

Adam
 
Adam, the way I see it: We're just trying to encourage someone who we think is qualified to SERIOUSLY LOOK INTO THE REALITY OF RUNNING I don't think anyone believes it to be more than that.

Question for you Adam....

Would this be a good time to make a list of what "Southern Airboat" would like to have happen - What our voice would say at the meeting?

1. We want to see the ByLaws. Maybe the new revised copy AS WELL AS the past?

2. The vote for officers - you're already on top of getting a list of candidates.


is there anything else to add? I think there is. what else?

matt.
 
3. Individual memberships. One member one vote.

I think there needs to be some philosophical changes.

4. Fight Agressive Offensive battles and win, not Defensive Reactionary battles where we lose and claim otherwise.

5. Take a less compromising stance, not a we will bow to something and hope we can still keep a smaller piece of something.

6. Never accept a loss and call it a win. Ever.

7. FAA needs to dictate the battles not react to others kibutzing in politics. No hobby shopping.

8. Put the opposition on the defensive and keep them there.

Maybe these can be worded better but its the thoughts I'm trying to get out.

Scotty
 
:)

Right on Scotty.

I can't speak for the Whole of Southern Airboat, but if a poll question were posed that went something like this... I'd vote yes.

Should S/A.com withdraw it's support/membership in the FAA (or fail to renew it's membership) if MAJOR reforms do not happen within [fill in the blank] months.

I say 12 months, and the things that need to happen (or be firmly set into action) are what scotty listed above.

On another note, how about the state's other clubs which are also members of the FAA? Is there any talk and discussion going amongst their ranks? If not, there needs to be! Let's light a fire on this folks!

matt.
 
Mood...Scotty...I don't have a problem ya'll with coming up with what you want me to look into. I will be there for you all. Period.

Adam
 
Keep your eyes on the prize ... A nomination from the floor is little more than a warning shot across the bow. I am for giving swampjet a chance ... but excuses will not cut it and not getting information out to delegates will be unnacceptable. If enough are unhappy with the progress the FAA makes after the election ... then we can talk.

The starting of a new organization is not that hard to accomplish if there is interest in it. Getting what is called "standing" in legal circles is not that hard to do from the beginning especially if the organization has real members who are real voters in general elections within the state.

Remember until the FAA has real members it has very little standing compared to an organization that is made up of real people. so there is no emergency present as it pertains to forming such an organization. If The FAA doesn't allow real members then the new organization can and most likely will be formed.

It would be nice to have the existing FAA be that organization that has real members as outlined above but if they do not want to do it well thats ok, they were offered a chance.

A new organization made up as outlined would dwarf the FAA almost at inception because of the memberships. Please note that the ones who are replying to this thread and others on the subject are always the same ones, and there is always just a few of us who comment. that should let you know the level of apathy any organization must overcome.

I have no fear of starting such an organization and have experience at doing it. I will not settle for the excuse from the FAA that changes take time, that is an old song that has been sung too long already. Either change or quit the lip service.

Swampjet would get my vote if I could vote but he would have to affect changes immediately and it may not be possible The FAA slapbacks could very easily handicap any good intentions he might have. I would hope he would let all who cared know what was going on in as much as his intentions were honorable but he was getting stonewalled. If that happens then clearly The FAA is out of step with reality and they should be left alone and a new organization started which has a clear mission to represent individual airboaters who are full voting members and that organization can go to tallahassee and make a difference and make a difference in local elections as well.

Thank you all for your kind words and confidence and it may be that you will get a chance to show your support for an agenda such as I have outlined. I hope the FAA steps up but I seriously doubt that they will and I would rather not be handicapped by the slapbacks stonewalling positive action. so lets see what happens a month or two wont be a big deal.
 
That all sounds good Cntry.

:)

Ya know, the "backslap" folks you are talking about are good people at heart. I'm POSITIVE of that. I don't think this is a war or that anyone hates anyone.

And I hope that now and in the coming months, the folks in charge ask themselves often: How can we represent the airboaters of Florida? How does this action improve the representation of the little guy?

Whether or not they are asking those questions of themselves will show after the election, and then we'll know.

Humor (with a point):
I want to see a big board at the FAA home office... kinda like at Rinker or any industrial place where they talk about how many days since the last injury....
"It's been ______ years since the last restricting law imposed on airboaters"

:)

matt.
 
A 'what if' for you all to ponder .......

We all like and respect Swampjet (I think the world of both of them) but what if he decides he doesn't wnat the job?

I can't say I would blame him. Afterall, he worked his ass of for all of us last year as the V.P. of the Association and for weeks all that was posted on this site was criticism of the FAA at large, their inability to give you everything you wanted ...... and ALL of that rediculous BS that was posted about having to run mufflers and flags. Get over it and put em on.

Now tell me. Seriously. If you were Capt. and Mrs. Bob Hoover would YOU be interested in being the new FAA president and subjecting yourselves to such a thankless job? I think not.

I wouldn't blame him one little bit if he decided to devote himself to his homelife and future and let all of you whiners and complainers pick someone else to beat up on next time.

olf
 
I wouldn't blame him either, and I was/am a pretty vocal critic of the FAA but I will say that Bob is one committed man and despite the criticism and frustration that comes his way, he is still dedicated to protecting airboaters in Florida.

I think he'll definitely run for some office.....

Adam
 
I'd just like to see a list of who's running....I could care less about who ain't & who cain't at this point. I like to decide for myself, but can't do that until I know who's running.

Rick
 
Rick, Danny Brantley has said that he'll be willing to run (basically, accept) the V.P. of the FAA if Swampjet will take the Presidency.
I can understand why he doesn't want the presidency. His plate is full already with KSRVA and the mounting issues in Gardners.

IMHO, if Bob Hoover agrees to run for president, then Hoover and Brantley will be #1 and #2 and the FAA will be a serious force to be reckoned with in Tallahassee.

I personally would love to see that, but I also told Bob and Janis that I wanted them to think of themselves and their futures first. It is a thankless all volunteer job, and I value their friendship more than his representation.

olf
 
I don't have anything to add here, but I have not seen much posted above I don't fully agree with.
 
All due respect Cowboy, There is one thing. (in my own opinion)

Yes the leader is subject to attack and criticism. That's the way it always is in business, politics, religion, and just about all of society.

But it's not a thankless job.

In the past fiascos we've watched and taken part of here, I saw a LOT of thanks being shared to those who volunteered.

I also noticed quite a bit of that thanks being ignored.

But the thanks was there.

Even if it's a one-man race, we should get the candidate list ASAP.

I suppose it's a one-man race just about every time. It's a very gentlemanly way to do it (cntry). :) Bob Hoover & Danny B. it is? Sounds good to me.

Now, it'd be REALLY cool if one or both of them could come on and give us a nutshell idea of where they want to lead us in the coming year. I heard Bob once say he'd like to improve/increase the communication out of the FAA. IT'd be nice to hear him say that publically and get some ideas HOW...
(as in How can I help)

matt.
 
Yup,
I heard him say that Mood.
I also heard him say in the same breath that they don't have anyone to get the communications done.

They are understaffed, and undermanned.

That's why I said above, that I did not see Much above that I did not agree with fully.

I don't mean I agree with every word posted by every person above, but I stand pretty much where everyone else does above.

I agree with you that there has been plenty of gratitude expressed here to the current FAA leadership.

I will do it again. THANKS. Thanks to ALL who volunteered, and gave selflessly to do what they thought was best for the Future of airboating in Florida.

That gratitude has also been in the company of relentless hammering criticisms also. I think there can be no doubt about that.

Most of the criticisms were the end reslult of an extended communication vaccum, and not due to the best intensions of the FAA leadership.

I also agree that some thanks was ignored, at times, by some.

My bottom line opinion is that all who have cared to know in the past, pretty much know where we have been, and what has happened in the past.

It's History now.

We need to stay on where we are going, how we are getting there, and who we are going there with.

I am 100% in agreement with Country on his most important point.
Wait and see. He knows darned well what I think about this.

If the FAA can't find a way to do it with Joe Airboater, then Joe airboater will do it with out them.

All who have cared to know in the past, know where I stand on this. I'm hopfull for a newer, bigger, better FAA.

To all the FAA member orgs, delegates, and leadership. Past, present, and future:

Thanks.

This airboater appreciates the efforts and energy expended by all.

And as you said Mood: this is Cowboy's opinion, and is offered with all due respect to you.

That goes for all other readers of this post as well. 8)
 
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