thank you'all for the welcom, and the good info on loop rd. yeah i know it's park now,but i'd still like to burn a tank full out there for old timers sake. i don't mind grinding down the poly some on the rocks--thats what it's for ,right?! i take a long walk south there every winter, sure takes me back, we used to have way too much water! i love this combee hull , it's tuff! i've beat the hell out of it bouncing off boulders and running up (then back down) the rapids in the big shallow rivers up here(out stste n. y. finger lakes) just craked it some here and there, no sence babying it!i stay in jensen beach all winter and would love to go riding with you ll ,don't mind towing it aways north ,south or west. p.s. anybody remember t. j.'s bar-b-que out u.s.41 ,alittle passed trail center (e-glades)? used to live out there ,in early 1980's,all wheel buggies and no rules much! how about Elison's camp in area 3? all this stuff changed my life when i was a kid ,just gettting back into it now, better late than..... right? thanks guys. my e-mail greenwaterdragon@localnet.com i love this site, and have 1,000,000 ?'s[/list]