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The difference in GPUs Aircraft Engines and Car motors??

FloridaQuaker1027

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I am pretty familiar with aircraft engines but I just wanted to get some input on the main difference in GPU's aircraft and car motors. Does one have more power than the other..... witch one is more dependable....... witch one uses less gas?... is one easier to service than the other?? just looking for some input
 
Much of what you are asking is already contained on this forum and is available to you with no waiting. You could either browse the threads or do a search.

Jim
 
fl quaker,

I have to agree, not much I could find on either fuel consumption or eng longevity & I've put lotsa hours reading here.

I had asked if there was an alternative to av gas for the lyc engs & still haven't found anything abt that.

I guess like any other place the ones that really know the business put in a pretty good day before they get a chance todo websites & simply don't have the time.

If one must go to a dealer to ask things then generally the answers will wind up a little skewd toward his product which is only nature but can be misleading.

Gben
 

The difference between the two mainly is the wieght issue that you deal with as far as pound for pound power, the aircraft engines are a better choice. To get a good dry ground running auto boat, say you use a small-block 350, direct drive you only gonna get about 200hp at the prop, a 0360 lycoming 200hp 4cyl is probaby about half thw weight and puts out 200hp at the flywheel. You would have to go with some type of reduction unit on an automotive engine to really be satisfied by performance. Where i hunt those 14 and 16ft alumitecs with the 502 and 383s wont make it and go back where my 12ft decked boat with my 0360 200hp will. Any my boat i can run all weekend long huntin and running gator lines on a 30-gallon gas tank. Now at $2+ a gallon of gas I'm more than satisfied to be running my aircraft boat when i go to fill up at the pump. The only difference is that depending on where you live at, there is gonna always be someone that can work on or fix an automotive powered boat. I do all my own maintenance on my 0360 from learning from the old-timers i hunt with cause it was cheaper for me to take the time and learn then to bring it somewhere and pay to get it done. Both engines if they are in the right running condition are just as reliable. I know 1 guy in our club that ran a 220GPU for one season, and it was nothing but trouble. Now i hear good things about the GPUs but you couldn't pay me to use one on my boat. Try and find a good 0360 200hp or 180 hp. You cant go wrong. I hope this really helps you out some.
 

As far as being reliable, my dad built a 12ft decked boat for a guy named Warren Coco, who is the inventor of the Go-devil. We were in the same club as him. Its a 12ft deep sided open alum boat with an 0540 260hp 6cly Lycoming, and that was built amolst 20 years ago, and that same boat with the same engine, is still going and has been used for every duck season since it was built. Only change to the boat is that he upgraded to a 3-blade powershift prop. Which significantly enhanced the performance of the boat alot.
 
For all of these you need to realize that the maximum you can spin a propeller is around 3000 RPMs (exact speed depends on the diameter of the propeller) before the tips of the blade reach the sound barrier and the blade becomes inefficient.

GPU - Ground Power Unit, made by continental to operate air cooled generators for the military. Were well made. Some had one mag and most of those are converted to 2 mags., and some had 2 mags. Is fairly cheap for a starter motor. Lighter weight due to air cooled. Produces more torque per RPM than automotive motors. Many of them out there, there are beauties and there are turds. Many have lots of modifications and run like all get all. I have never operated a boat with one yet, but have been around military GPUs. We ran regular gas in the generator I knew.

Aircraft engines - mostly talking about Lycoming and Continental air cooled motors that were made for aircraft and certified by the FAA to be used in aircraft. Most used in airboats are from prop ground strikes or have something about them that makes them unable to be used in aircraft any longer due to FAA rules. Some use regular gas, but most run on aircraft fuel. Tend to run hotter on automotive gas, and low octane can cause problems with predetonation. Sizes from about 140 hp 4 cylinders to the beautiful 0-720 Lycoming producing about 400 hp. Most max out RPMs at around 2700-3000 and run direct drive, no reduction gear. Some are fine machines and some are junk. Parts tend to cost alittle more due to the words AIRCRAFT PARTS.

Automotive - you name it, probably 350s are the most common, with lots of others like 454s, 502s, 383s, as well as custom engines. Most of these produce peak power at over 3500 RPMs, so they use a reduction gear drive unit to allow the motor to reach peak performance without over spinning the propeller. Some run on regular gas, some only on premium gas. Parts of some are more common, cheaper, and more people tend to know something about them. Tend to be heavier, are water cooled, very common in airboats. Some set ups produce lots of HP with smaller motors, but the person that builds it had better be good. Like all the others, some are fine and some are anchors.

It is a choice of preference, what type hull and size are you buying? What do you plan to do with it? (I worked in the seismic field for a time, there is no way a Lycoming would have taken the abuse I gave those motors. Foot in the carb., 4200 to 4900 RPMs all day, Propeller is going about 2100 to 2400 for an average of about 5 to 7 hours straight everyday of the week, 500 to 800 hours in a summer.) Are you going to cruise water or run land alot.

We cannot tell you which is the best for you. The best way is to find someone and ride with them where you plan to go. See what seems to run best in that situation. Guest loves his 4 cylinder lycoming, others love those 502 monsters. Only experience will tell. But starting slow is the best and a good GPU is the cheapest set up around.
 
My buddy has a 0540 on a thurman hull......we run in normally wet areas..... he has it out fitted with a a 5 blade warp drive with is good off the line but and is some wat good enough when stuck in grass or the mud.... one of my other buddies has a Big O figerglass hull with a 0470 with poly and can run anywhere.... i normally plan on running wet march and open sloughs......i want the power to also run on some what dry ground to do some explorings.....the 0540 has 260 ho and the 0360 has about 200..... i plan on running a power shift prob with gives the boat more power.....right now for the conditions i am planning on running i am liking the 0360 or 0470 on a 12 foot fiberglass hull.....i am good friends with one of the best aircraft engine machanics' in south florida daughter ( Tom Schmint ) so with a good hook up work can be done for cheap..... My buddy's 0540 was built by him and has around 5000+ hour on or 12 years it and now is showing its age....it just leaks a little oil.... he runs 93 octane pump has and that thing has never failed us.... the GPU's are really cheap but i am a little if'y.......dont know much about them......i would like to stick with aircraft..... automotive is just to much wieght
 

I just checked my hour gauge on my boat, my boat is 4 years old, and its the same motor that i installed on the boat when i built it. The motor is the 0360 200hp Lycoming, from Lacy Everet, and in 4 years of tough and abusive running, I have 3,976 hours on the boat. The only thing I had to get done to the motor is re-work the mags each year, dual bendix twin impulse mags, I hunt deep in the swamp in Maurepas so I need to be able to start the boat from the prop. I also had 2 vavle jobs and all 4cylinders re-worked in 4years. Its still going strong. Hopefully I can put another good 1000 hrs on it this duck and deer season. This boat runs dry ground with 2 people on it and all gear and ice-chests all day long with no problem, and i have 1/4" teflon on the bottom and 10" up the sides and I also have a 10-gallon soap sprayer system with some slick diesel to help out in some sticky spots. It is really a good performer. I'm really pleased with this motor. You can not go wrong with the 180 or the 200hp 0360. Pound for pound for power its a real performer on the right hull. Just keep weight down to a minimun to keep your performance to the maximum.
 
I agree duckhunter. I am convinced that an aircraft or gpu is the best style of engine for the type of hull I prefer.

I keep thinking about the buick v-6 set-up that waterthunder mentioned.
He threw some pretty impressive hp numbers up there.

I'm wondering about the weight ready to run with cooling system, reduction unit ext. cost, and how much stick it might swing on a light hull.

Keep thinking that a set-up like that could out-do a six cylinder aircraft engine, and be light enough for the type of airboating I enjoy.
 
Hey Duck hunter, rememeber when i get back from Cali in the middle of next month i want to go run side by side with that 0360. I plan on taking 2 weeks off when i get back.



Kevin
 
Thanx Guys, lotsa ground in a small space

My first encounter with Lyc engines was in the 50's with a Piper Cub & back then one could fly almost all day for 5 0r 6 bucks.

From there it was the Cessna 180 with the Cont 0470 which could carry abt anything you stuffed in there.

Piper then introduced a thing they called the Comanchee with the 0360 & then the 0540. Of course the IO came & the TIO(Injected/Turbo) & still today if I had a choice this is what I would fly.

The turbo was my first intro into the land of the big boys in the 30 grand flt levels & I loved it. Just point it & it would keep on climbing. Always had less probs with Lyc than the Continentals but there was something abt 6 cyls that brought just a little more faith in an aircraft.

Just one more thing before I hush is abt sound. I am one tobe very sensitive in this & if it dosen't sound right I'm gone. The 0540, perked right of course makes the right sound. My straight pipe Dmax does as well as the Navy P3's that fly over our place all the time with their wide blade Flutter props. And yep I want our Airboat prop to sound like that & not like a rivet gun :(

Thanx & $3 p/gal later,

Gben
 
what happened to 90 db @ 50 feet??

im sure your duramax sounds great, but there seems to be a lot of boaters in the middle of the state having a tuff time just trying to keep access to the waterways they have, without more boats with open pipes..
please respect your fellow airboaters and many of the people on this site and purchase 2 mufflers

not trying to preach, sorry
 
Sorry Flquaker it was gettin a little late last night.

T-Rex,

Rest assured I'm not one to split the ears of anyone else. Like those in traffic that trash us with what they thimk is cool.

The turbo in a Dmax & others does a good job muffleing the big racket into a pleasing monotone acceptable sound. I thimk too that some who want to calm down their db's can do so by adding a turbo which will bring more efficiency & power at the same time.

We do auto race tracks frequently & I'm always amazed at parents who make no effort in protection of their childrens hearing.

Notwithstanding, I'm not one to push my ways or means upon others & have a prob with govt & the Dogooders motherly flimflams :(

Thanx, Gben

BTW, Primary reason for straight pipe is to bring back pressure & turbo temps down thereby increasing engine performance & turbo longevity.
 
T-rex your rite 90 at 50 is coming , already here where i live. A friend of mine . Air craft all his life . automovtive now .no choice .Can obtain 90 at 50 at 95 percent Throttle . in the process building one now . Got to with the Times . cant say its rite , but the times are here :(
 
gbenzx,

3.5" downpipe ...4 " straight...no cats or mufflers.. 6 liter diesel.. superchips..gps at 133..best time of 14.15 quarter...have a nos kit to install but trying to keep my warranty alittle longer.

the street in front of my home looks like a launching pad,rubber everywhere....thank god i have great neighbors..if my neighbors complained i would tone it back.....alittle...better to cut back alittle now than to lose altogether. im new to airboating and there are alot of places out there ( swamp ) that i want to see....i would put two or four or six mufflers on to be able to drive around the swamps and see the wild life, reptiles, birds, vegetation, sunsets and such. sunk my boat first time out....saw 4 sunsets in four days trying to get my boat back, every sunset was beautiful...
 
Your rite ,, I got a sand rail I am same , wheels dont ,touch the pavement till my neigbors house . but i ask every once awhile ,they say . enjoying life and caring . Like you , my neigbors are cool !!The 90 at 50 sure dont apply to sand rails :D
 
Flquaker
Don't want to warp your good thread here butjust need to answer couple things. Maybe before too long we'll have more topics here to choose from.

T Rex,

I assume you're referring to the 6.0 Powerstroke & if so you may have beat some numbers over at The Diesel Stop website. Tall stuff so be sure & chk em out if not already.

As you say I too had to hold the line once my nephew installed the four inch on his Dmax. I know not the numbers but when he did his I knew instantly that I couldn,t live with that. It did lower his Egt abt 190-210 degrees at full load with his tractor on the gooseneck but we've gained 160 in the mountains with the 3.5.

We also have a big time at The Diesel Page & The Diesel Place websites bashing the Fords. Like, More Fords are being ordered with the heated tailgate option to keep from freezing ones hands when pushing.

Shhhhh is what it's all abt among natures quiet & wild ones. Just last week in the Ocala Forest a moma bear brought here little cub out to show it off for my wife.
They are used to seeing our jeep Cherokee & when I found where she had nursed a cub in the sand we just leaned up against the jeep very quiet until she came out abt 10-12 minutes later.

I hear people say they've never seen anything like that in the wild & yes there is probably a reason. We must first know their language :)

Thanx, Gben
 
I'm going to put it to yall plain and simple. I own a 11ft 9 in airboat with a 0360 parallel valve, straight valve whatever you wanna call it with 180 HP. I have a friend that has a 14 ft with a 350 & a rotator. We run our boats together all the time. I know I can catch and overtake him in the open water. I know if I get stuck he can pull me out. I know I can run dry with 2 people and my dog. I know he can run dry with 5 people and my dog and all her pups, a cooler full of beer, diet pepsi, & Captain, tools, jumper cables, tarps, sleeping bags, tents, guns, and ammo. The bottom line is what do you really want?? My small hull with an 0360 is great for 2 people and getting in places big boats can't get. His boat is great for running over stuff with a lot of people and taking tours. If you wanna run dry with 5 peeps, get a big boat with a bowtie and a box. If you wanna run dry with you and the mutt get a small hull and a 0360. As Forrest would say, "That's all I got to say about that."
 
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