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Water district's deal draws protests about possible development in Indian River
By ED BIERSCHENK
ed.bierschenk@scripps.com

February 17, 2006
VIERA � A land deal that could be worth more than $60 million to an Indian River County citrus partnership also could result in additional development in what is now a largely rural part of the county.
The deal that could be closed later this year has some people concerned that the St. Johns River Water Management District gave up too much to acquire 6,000 acres near the Stick Marsh, north of Fellsmere. Some area sportsmen also think the potential influx of people into the western portion of the county could have a negative impact on their way of life.


Concern over the deal between St. Johns and Fellsmere Joint Venture, which includes major citrus operator Sun-Ag Inc., was expressed by residents attending Thursday night's meeting of St. Johns River Water Management District's Southern Region Recreational Public Meeting.
Last month, St. Johns' Board of Governors approved giving the joint venture $35.25 million and a 1,970-acre parcel St. Johns owns about two miles south of Fellsmere in exchange for 6,020 acres near the Stick Marsh. As part of the deal, that land and another 4,000-acre parcel of land the district purchased from Sun-Ag Inc. for $9.4 million in 2002 can be used for recreational purposes although airboats will be prohibited.

Prior to this latest deal agreement, recreational use of the 4,000-acre parcel had been prohibited as part of the earlier arrangement with Sun-Ag.

The total value of the deal to Fellsmere Joint Ventures was estimated at $62.85 million by St. Johns officials.

As part of the deal, the joint venture retained the development rights on the land. According to Jack Eckdahl, assistant director of St. Johns Operations and Land Resources Department, these development rights potentially could be used to barter for increased density at other property the joint venture owns if allowed by Indian River County.

Currently, the Urban Service Area, mostly east of 58th Avenue, allows for county utilities and for such densities as six homes per acre. West of that, density now is limited to agricultural levels of one home per five acres, one home per 10 acres or one home per 20 acres.

The county is looking at a plan that would allow for increased density in areas designated as "new towns," located outside the Urban Services Area, in exchange for giving up development rights on other land developers own in the rural areas of the county.

Jeff Kraynik, a local fishing boat captain, was grateful for efforts St. Johns made to acquire the land, but he thought the district may have given up too much. He said he already has heard discussions about plans to develop some of the land owned by the Fellsmere Farms Joint Venture and is afraid that people moving into the homes might be opposed to loud guns or other activities that currently take place in the rural parts of the county.
Eckdahl suggested that eventually homes and condominiums could be located right next to rural wetlands, just as they are farther south near the Everglades.
 
we need to make sure we are going to have acess to this area, they were talking about not letting us have acess to this area
 
Seen this, heard this and read this a million times before. I wonder how many houses will end up near Shady Oaks maybe even condo's.
 
AMERICAN DOLLAR AT WORK ! WE ARE JUST LIKE THE PEOPLE BEFORE US , BAD THING ABOUT IT! THE PEOPLE THATS DOING IT TO US , DONT EVEN LIVE HERE ! JUST LOOK AROUND THE HOMES THEY BUILD NOW ! THEY DONT GO OUT SIDE AND IF DONT FIT IN YOUR GARAGE YOU CANT HAVE IT ! :shock:
 
I'm of the mindset it's already a done deal whether we like it or not. They will listen to our complaints and whining then do as they please anyway. Nothing new here, this is how we got where we are now. Lets make peace and maybe they will drop some crumbs on the way is a load of it.

It's all about dollars, and only abut dollars. If theres any impact to be made it will have to be in their pocket book. There would need to be an open well advertised effort to reduce the SWMD budget directly linked to their performance on this and even that might nave little or no effect.

It won't be any different than any other land swindel we are left out of.

We got Viera the same way, just different players.

Scotty
 
Whitebear and Fatboy, in my opinion you've nailed it ....... there is money in amounts we can't even comprehend behind most of this and the Geographically Challenged (how's that Cntry?) that are changing the face of Florida could care less about our Heritage, our rights as sportsmen, or our airboats.

They see us all as more of an irritation than a roadblock on the way to getting what they want, and they have the money to make it stick.

This is why the FAA is so important to all of us. They're working hard right now to get an anti-discrimination clause added to new legislation that would basically say that the Counties won't be able to ban one type of boat but permit another type to operate. If passed, that will protect our access in a lot of new developement areas because the Newbies may not know anything about airboats, but they'll want to be able run their gas-guzzlin' 30' powerboats. No airboats? Then no powerboats either.

One thing all of us can do that would be a BIG help is to get more involved in our local elections. Find out who's running for a local office, and why he/she wants the job. Find out what they think about Imminent Domain, and if they're for it then try to get as many people as you can to vote against them no matter what Party flag they're flying.

At the very least, join an airboat club. They all have delegates to the FAA and their job is to express your opinions and ideas in your behalf, and look out for your rights.

BF
 
BF YOUR RITE I THOUGHT DEP WOULD STOP SOME OF THIS BUT . WHAT IN THE HELL WAS I THINKING , I BEEN PRETTY GOOD WITH MY CASH FLOW THREW THE YEARS . HELL I COULDNT EVEN AFORD THE YARD WORK FOR MOST OF THESE HOUSES ! I REALLY HOPED THAT THE ECO PEOPLE WOULD WIN THIS BUT THERE I GO THINKING AGAIN! HERE AROUND THE SOUTH OF THE BAY OVER HALF OF OUR FARM LAND AND RANCHS ARE GONE !THE ONLY WET LANDS WE HAVE NOW ARE RETENTION AREAS ! WERE I LIVED NOTHING MORE TO TAKE ! IS ALL GONE ! :shock:I THINK THEY SHOULD BE A OPEN SEASON FOR THE ROADE DEVELUPTOR ! SORRY MY SPELLING SUCKS!THREE PER BOAT . PER DAY ! ESCADES AND LEAR JETS ONE PER SEASON , SPEICAL STAMP NEEDED ! :D JOIN AND HELP !YOUR RITE BF ! :D
 
FB0054, I like the idea of that special stamp ......... Let's see, what category should we put that under? Varmint hunting? Nuisance animal control? Endangering species ....... :? ?

You'd get a lot of signups on this site :lol: .

BF
 
Last month I was at a meeting of the TOO FAR organization ( this is a GREAT grassroots org. of waterways rights folks based in Inverness, Fl.) where it was stated that according to the PRESENT ZONING CODES of the STATE of FL., if all the available land where to be built upon then the population of Florida would grow to 99 MILLION!!!! Thats according to the PRESENT ZONING CODES!!!! Folks we all must be PROACTIVE,not REACTIVE. Go to your county commision meetings, let your voice be heard because if you dont then the anti's will overrun us.

This is scary! Your marsh could be someone elses neighborhood.
 
Swampjet, do they have a website yet, or some other way of contact? Let us know and I'll join 'em.

BF
 
Ya'll are right about one thing anyways ... by the time it comes out in the public it is usually a done deal. They don't leave us crumbs that is all we can get for our fussing. We are not giving in easy there is no point in trying to fight too hard by the time we hear of it it is a done deal anyways. If we fuss we will get the crumbs they already had set aside for us but if we dont fuss we won't even get those.

I don't say we quit trying in fact just the opposite we need to keep fussing louder and louder and our crumbs will get bigger, but they will always be crumbs.

We can always hope they mess up and use the wrong funds to purchase land with and then trade it off but don't hold your breath these folks are professionals and have a staff that does nothing but make sure they are in compliance. sorry but its true we are perceived as loud and obnoxious and we prove it everytime we run in places with no respect for the rights of others and use the excuse that we were here first to justify it. we further use the excuse that to be quiet costs too much and we have rights to use the waterways in anyway we see fit. This type of behavior and rhetoric will only further hasten the demise of our sport. I figure most will get mad at this post but it is the truth and all you ahve to do is look back at what has been posted on here for confirmation of it. Wake up and smell the coffee folks.
 
Cntry141 has it about right. If we do nothing we get nothing.

Having said that, however, I feel we are usually hitting at the wrong folks. We need to be active about tieing political VOTES to their position and performance on issues that are important to us. That means reminding them at ballot time during their campeigns as well.

Of course theres nothing that obligates them to honor ANYTHING they say during a campeign. Nothing new there.

I still think public floggings are in order.

Scotty
 
Folks,

Among other topics, we have legislation pending, so please feel free to contact your State Senate & House member & tell them to co-sponsor our bills.
While you are there, feel free to politely tell them what you think of the WM Districts, FWC, hunting lands, lack of bear hunting, ect, ect. No shortage of topics I'm sure.
Please also mention the good we do like Toys for Tots, search & rescue, lake clean ups, ect. Take & show any newspaper articles you may have on the subjects. (There were two good ones from Florida Today on the SA Toys for Tots run. Use them for effect. Orlando did two GREAT ONES during & after Katrina)
If you need news articles or talking points, contact me.

Happy sqeaking,

PW

to find your elected official:
http://www.myflorida.com/portal/Government

"Don't be a diddly old complaining woman! Get active & have your voice heard!" Make the visit..........they work!
 
As much as I biatched last Thursday night, the airboat issue is a done deal, or should I say "deal breaker."

Still, it's (10,000) ten thousand more acres of public use & it has to be completed by 2012 or FJV begins to get fined.


CJ
 
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