WORLD RECORD 1000 yard balloon shot with a 9mm Hand Gun!

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WORLD RECORD 1000 yard balloon shot with a 9mm Hand Gun!

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Re: WORLD RECORD 1000 yard balloon shot with a 9mm Hand Gun!

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Re: WORLD RECORD 1000 yard balloon shot with a 9mm Hand Gun!

Postby Olf Art » Tue Aug 05, 2014 11:26 pm

Sniper sent me a copy of this one, Steve ..... impressive to say the very least. You'll notice that he used a revolver.
Over long distances it's my belief that a roller gun is more accurate than a slide semi-auto because it moves around less,
and the head spacing is more consistant. Pretty work though ..... damn fine shot. :thumbleft:
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Re: WORLD RECORD 1000 yard balloon shot with a 9mm Hand Gun!

Postby Whitebear » Wed Aug 06, 2014 12:40 am

I used to carry a Smith Model 59 9mm when I was with the old GFC and on the range I generally was the man to beat. I shot a lot, I mean really a lot with it. One weekend when we had to re-qual, after shooting the required course, I asked if I could shoot it with my Smith L Frame .357. I expected it to be pretty sorry but imagine my surprise when I shot the same score. It was surprising because of the additional time to reload multiple times.

By all rights the fact that I had 6 different chambers to head space on with the revolver plus the danged forcing cone and barrel to cylinder gap and slightly less recent shooting time with it I should have been pretty bad with it. The 9mm head spaces on the front of the case, only has one size chamber and no forcing cone or cylinder gap. This should have made for a better pattern. The revolver however has 6 different sized chambers, head spaces on the head of the case (every case is slightly different). There is a certain inefficiency induced when there is a gap or disconnect between the chamber an the barrel and of course the forcing cone has to be used to get the bullet wedged into alignment with the barrel. Of course the L frame had a longer barrel than the old 59 did and that may have made up the difference out at 30 yards. The higher velocity obviously gave a flatter trajectory. I have always guessed these factors negated the negatives of the revolver. I think accuracy should have been helped some by the fact my Smith wheel guns had hand polished and set triggers and hammers. They were about as perfect as my hand could make them and I know that had to help. At least to some degree. Anyway I was really surprised not to see any practical difference in score on CJST targets. Bulls eye targets may have shown a difference. Now my L frame .357 and N frame .44 Mag were hog slayers where I never bothered taking the 9mm out after a porker rooter.

Obviously the guns were for near opposite ends of the spectrum as far as intended application goes, but, looking back it just reinforces one of my mottos about hand guns, well all guns. The more you shoot the less difference it makes which gun you are actually shooting today. I guess I would have to qualify that somewhat because of the faster handling of the shorter 3.xx" barrel in the auto loader compared to the 5.xx" barrel in the wheel guns I had.

Anybody that pops a balloon at a thousand yards with any handgun, especially a 9mm is someone to learn from for sure and for certain ! ! ! :thumbleft:
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Postby Sniper » Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:07 am

most folks can't even come close to doing that with a rifle and he did it with a 9mm hand gun
that is just crazy, Jerry is by far the best shooter on the planet !!!!!
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Postby Prototype » Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:06 pm

That's a heck of a shot! Dam shame the frags took the balloon out instead of a dead hit but still very impressive!

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Re: WORLD RECORD 1000 yard balloon shot with a 9mm Hand Gun!

Postby jaxduramax » Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:33 pm

Forgive my ignorance but didn't he say it was a .357 in the begininning of the video? Why would you make a 9mm revolver when it's a rimless cartridge? Mandatory moon clips sounds like he'll to me. 9mm is .355 right? :dontknow:

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Postby Prototype » Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:46 pm

Never heard 357???

147 grain hornets but not 357 that I can hear.

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Postby jaxduramax » Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:58 pm

Yeah, didn't hear it the second time. Still, 9mm revolver?!?!

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Postby Prototype » Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:08 pm

LOL,
9mm 147 grain 8 shot revolver. It has my interest!

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Postby Sniper » Thu Aug 07, 2014 7:11 am

Smith just started making that not to long ago for shooting Competition from what I was told
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Postby Whitebear » Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:26 am

9mm, .380, .38, .357 these calibers have more varied and different bullet diameters than you can shake a stick at. I had an old Ruger Convertible that had a second cylinder for the 9mm but it shot the 9mm. .38 and .357 all in the same gun. I was young and this confused the hell out of me when I was trying to learn proper reloading and gun machining. It still bothers me but I just ignore it since it is an accepted norm and has proved safe over the years. Powder charges are all over the board as well, and pressures and velocities are from puny to insane. This is a good caliber for someone wanting to learn more than buying loaded ammo and shooting out of the box and off the shelf. It will make your noodle work for sure and for certain. You can burn up a new calculator running all the formulas to prove each step or item in a discussion, and still not have everything in exact agreement. Its a tribute to modern metallurgy.
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Re: WORLD RECORD 1000 yard balloon shot with a 9mm Hand Gun!

Postby Prototype » Sat Aug 09, 2014 12:58 am

Whitebear wrote:9mm, .380, .38, .357 these calibers have more varied and different bullet diameters than you can shake a stick at. I had an old Ruger Convertible that had a second cylinder for the 9mm but it shot the 9mm. .38 and .357 all in the same gun. I was young and this confused the hell out of me when I was trying to learn proper reloading and gun machining. It still bothers me but I just ignore it since it is an accepted norm and has proved safe over the years. Powder charges are all over the board as well, and pressures and velocities are from puny to insane. This is a good caliber for someone wanting to learn more than buying loaded ammo and shooting out of the box and off the shelf. It will make your noodle work for sure and for certain. You can burn up a new calculator running all the formulas to prove each step or item in a discussion, and still not have everything in exact agreement. Its a tribute to modern metallurgy.



Ditto,
I have a couple magnum cylinders on two H&R's but I won't load them higher then spec. Just picked up a key chain piece that specked out to be 22 short-22 long but not 22lr.

22 short is surprising accurate with it. Can't find 22 long in a non Long rifle for it yet!. I've seen them and shot them, just not lately!.

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Postby Whitebear » Sat Aug 09, 2014 1:59 am

When I was a little guy, Dad had an octagon barreled Colt Lightening Pump .22 that was chambered for .22 Short and .22 Long, but Long Rifles would not function or feed in it. Generally I think the issues with non Long Rifle guns is the length of the cartridge and not the pressures involved. Having said that, there were a whole crap pot full of imported junk revolvers in the 50s and early 60s that no matter what ya put in them they were as likely to blow the side of the cylinder out as actually shoot correctly. Timing and barrel/cylinder alignment was hit and miss at best. These pot metal guns are what actually spawned the term "Saturday Night Special" They sold for around $4 and really-really-really were as dangerous to the user as the target. Maybe more so. The TV news had nightly coverage on them and the efforts to ban them. Clubs and organizations claimed that banning any guns would be the end of our freedoms. Looking back at it, banning these things was likely the smartest thing that could have been done.
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Re: WORLD RECORD 1000 yard balloon shot with a 9mm Hand Gun!

Postby Olf Art » Sat Aug 09, 2014 12:22 pm

Remember 'Zip' guns, Scotty? Guys would make a homemade pistol or rifle and use a piece of car radio antenna
for the barrel! :roll: I've seen 'em with a nail for a firing pin!
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Postby Whitebear » Sat Aug 09, 2014 1:41 pm

I now about them Ken, but I have never actually seen one. I shiver at the thought.
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