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Water Walker vs sensenich

Postby Refoster » Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:44 pm

What y'all think

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Re: Water Walker vs sensenich

Postby kwanjangnihm » Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:43 am

what motor/boat setup are you putting them on?
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Re: Water Walker vs sensenich

Postby Deano » Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:19 am

I think that first response is the only correct one available with the (lack of) info given.
Your question is far to broad with no qualifying details to attain a legitimate answer.

Very much the same as showing up on a Hot Rod board musing 'What is better Ford or Chevrolet?"
It is also much like showing up on this board and asking "What is better, air craft or car motor?"
Intentional or not, realize that as posed, your question looks like trolling with no intent other than to :stirpot: .

Not to imply that is (or is not) your intent, but rather point out that no matter what the question is, there
will be a minimum of info required to base an answer on, whenever it does in fact seek a legitimate answer.

The guys who were here and psychic, left to go start the now infamous "Psychic Hotline". We miss them both.

What motor? AC or CM?
Reduction? DD or what ratio?
What RPM window? @ WOT, @cruise?
Boat Size/Weight? light vs loaded?
Etc, etc.

Appreciate that a prop recommendation will not be the same for a 4cyl AC and a Supercharged V8 with a CounterRotator Gearbox.

Before some wise guy says that wasn't the question, I will point out the above question needs to be answered first, then
the original question may vary well become self evident. If not, at least there will be solid info on which to base an answer.
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Re: Water Walker vs sensenich

Postby unforgiven11B » Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:36 am

I disagree Deano- Sensenich is a far superior product then Water Walker I read the question as Water walker Vs. Sensenich not which one should I use? Comparing apples to apples here Sensenich is a much better built blade Hands down and you can’t deny it. seen a few WW just fly apart and other issues as I’ve ran both products . Does WW make a great pushing blade? Yes but it’s not made with the same quality

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Re: Water Walker vs sensenich

Postby Refoster » Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:38 am

4cyl craft

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Re: Water Walker vs sensenich

Postby SWAMPHUNTER45 » Wed Mar 27, 2019 11:22 am

Here I thought it was HOOTERS !

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Re: Water Walker vs sensenich

Postby Deano » Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:15 pm

For 4 cyl aircraft engine, my recommendation would be Water Walker Cypress Series.
Depending on the power you're making (ie which one) they could range from 66-70 inch diameter.
Accomplished with different length hubs (as is standard practice, regardless the manufacturer).

unforgiven11B wrote:I disagree Deano- Sensenich is a far superior product then Water Walker I read the question as Water walker Vs. Sensenich not which one should I use? Comparing apples to apples here Sensenich is a much better built blade Hands down and you can’t deny it. seen a few WW just fly apart and other issues as I’ve ran both products . Does WW make a great pushing blade? Yes but it’s not made with the same quality
......That is your opinion and that is fine, I understand; but my overall assessment differs from yours, that's all.

Over the years, I to have used both, and had problems with each.
This is over MANY years and MANY blade sets, mind you.
Blades don't last forever, and some will run them longer than they should.
At this point in time, either will perform as exactly as you would expect they should.
Consequently, to me the specific application would be my first consideration.

In this particular case, the Cypress Series work best in my opinion and others.
The fact they are WW blades is somewhat inconsequential where that is concerned.

Given a different power-plant/gear my first blade choice would be exactly that, with the manufacturer being the secondary concern.
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Re: Water Walker vs sensenich

Postby radtech » Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:16 pm

I have been running a ww sig for years. I'm currently trying out a Sensenich Q thanks to slidin gator and it definitely seems to have more push on my DD caddy

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Re: Water Walker vs sensenich

Postby Deano » Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:23 pm

SWAMPHUNTER45 wrote:Here I thought it was HOOTERS !

Well, nobody would say you were wrong about that.
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Re: Water Walker vs sensenich

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Re: Water Walker vs sensenich

Postby Mossy Cypress » Wed Mar 27, 2019 1:41 pm

I had a WW cypress series on my 0360 and it pushed pretty darn good,not much top end but plenty of low end grunt on the ground, mine was very durable and has been sent through the wringer and still is running the marsh to this day,I will say the WW was more of a biotch to adjust pitch though. JMO

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Re: Water Walker vs sensenich

Postby OneBFC » Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:07 pm

unforgiven11B wrote:I disagree Deano- Sensenich is a far superior product then Water Walker I read the question as Water walker Vs. Sensenich not which one should I use? Comparing apples to apples here Sensenich is a much better built blade Hands down and you can’t deny it. seen a few WW just fly apart and other issues as I’ve ran both products . Does WW make a great pushing blade? Yes but it’s not made with the same quality



I disagree unforgiven11B- WaterWalker is a far superior product then Sensenich I read the question as Water walker Vs. Sensenich not which one should I use? Comparing apples to apples here WaterWalker is a much better built blade Hands down and you can’t deny it. seen a few Sensinich just fly apart and other issues as I’ve ran both products . Does Sensenich make a great pushing blade? Yes but it’s not made with the same quality

Have to provide balance to the force. Anecdotal opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one, and they all stink.

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Re: Water Walker vs sensenich

Postby Hambone79 » Wed Mar 27, 2019 10:43 pm

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Re: Water Walker vs sensenich

Postby GeeLeDouche » Thu Mar 28, 2019 7:51 am

I read some thrust testing studies years ago that said the Sensenich R blade was the most efficient prop at producing thrust. Plus, I like the design of the blade a little better than other manufactures designs. I would own a whirlwind prop in a heartbeat also just because of their customer service and price point. I have owned a warpdrive also and didn't have any problems with it other than it sucks pitching / adjusting multiple blades. I think its mostly what you are comfortable with and what your preference is.
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Re: Water Walker vs sensenich

Postby kwanjangnihm » Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:10 am

I ran a 2 & 3 blade WW Sig on my 540 for 5 years with no issues - talked to Andrew quite a few times and he was always helpful.

I emailed Darrin a bunch of times on Sensenich products and he always emailed me back with in depth information.

I just bought a Sensenich to test once my current junk gets built. We could not ask for any better support here in Central Florida!
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Re: Water Walker vs sensenich

Postby Prototype » Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:01 pm

OneBFC wrote:
unforgiven11B wrote:I disagree Deano- Sensenich is a far superior product then Water Walker I read the question as Water walker Vs. Sensenich not which one should I use? Comparing apples to apples here Sensenich is a much better built blade Hands down and you can’t deny it. seen a few WW just fly apart and other issues as I’ve ran both products . Does WW make a great pushing blade? Yes but it’s not made with the same quality



I disagree unforgiven11B- WaterWalker is a far superior product then Sensenich I read the question as Water walker Vs. Sensenich not which one should I use? Comparing apples to apples here WaterWalker is a much better built blade Hands down and you can’t deny it. seen a few Sensinich just fly apart and other issues as I’ve ran both products . Does Sensenich make a great pushing blade? Yes but it’s not made with the same quality

Have to provide balance to the force. Anecdotal opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one, and they all stink.

Both companies make quality product. Base your buying decision on customer support if you want to live a happy life.


You do know your leaving a good amount on the table as scraps by not trying a sensenich prop?
I relate to local but local must also compete and WW shows it does not want too by it's own actions!
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Re: Water Walker vs sensenich

Postby OneBFC » Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:29 pm

Honestly, it's not cool to put down others products as inferior when you have no basis for that claim, Prototype.

I have tested props from all major manufacturers actually and the one that consistently performs the best is what stays installed.

I doubt many people that aren't making or selling props have done as much thrust testing as I personally have.

So, take it as you will. But, for sure, there is no performance left on the table with the Water Walker props I have run and tested.

My use case doesn't involve racing or trying to run extreme speeds. Even then, the 80 inch 3 blade Maximus has pushed my boat up and over any and all terrain, pulled boats on occasion and has seen speeds legitimately above 85mph and still pulling hard and still allowing me to get fuel economy that is excellent by any standard for boats (5mpg combined). Its also put out the same thrust with 3 blades that took 4 with others of similar airfoil width and exactly the same diameter. I have posted links to my spread sheets in the past documenting all of it. I feel I am significantly above average level of "informed."

When you start looking at all of these props on a thrust rig, you realise quickly that the differences between them is not so much in the maximum static thrust (though some exists), it's more in the thrust curve as a function of prop speed. Matching that curve to what your engine is happy to produce nets the best results.

I stand behind my advice, customer service is the #1 thing to look for. All manufacturers have the exact same challenges and issues with props in service.
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Postby Rich Andrews » Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:00 pm

best prop best gear box best hull best slick shit seems to be the best one at selling the best BS...
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Re: Water Walker vs sensenich

Postby Sniper » Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:57 am

I cant say anything about water walker but I have been running Sensenich props since 2003on my SAR Airboats and have made 898 rescues in all kinds of extreme conditions running their props and never ever had one fail me and their customer service is nothing less than fantastic
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Re: Water Walker vs sensenich

Postby digginfool » Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:25 am

I've had experience with both WW and Sensenich on the same boat, same engine. I'll be happy to tell you my thoughts but the significance really leads back to Kwan's and Deano's first post; what engine, what boat, what purpose? That being said, I have a 15 ft DB with oval tube aluminum rigging running a modified LSA car engine capable of the 675 hp neighborhood. The props were a 3 blade 80 inch Powershift (WW) and a 4 blade 81.5 inch Sensenich NGR. I had also run both props on the previous engine, which was a 465 hp 8.1 Vortec. I ran both blades through a 2.38 Stinger gearbox and a 2.5 Ballistic. I use my airboat primarily for recreational riding but while doing so, I've taken the boat through some very rank areas. My boat is very heavy and I'm almost always loaded down with passengers and coolers or lumber and other supplies for my camp in the Everglades. So, my thoughts. My boat originally had the 8.1 with the Powershift. It had really good push but seemed to fall flat up top. My biggest complaint was the noise. I found the Powershift to be extremely noisy, especially at high RPMs. I then went with the NGR. It has excellent push down low, very quiet (comparatively) and maintains push all the way to WOT. After destroying my 8.1 by getting into a very gnarly situation, I installed the LSA. It was at this time I went to the 2.5 Ballistic gearbox. It was the same result with the higher ratio except that the WW was even noisier with more pitch added in. Here's where I think the biggest difference in my experience with the two companies; in my dealings with WW, I was treated brusquely, almost to the point of downright rudeness. On the other hand, the people at Sensenich are friendly, courteous and extremely accommodating. The hallmark of professionalism that leads to a successful company and a quality product, not that I had quality issues with either product. Believe me when I say customer service is probably one of the most important considerations. When (not if) you need your prop serviced, you want someone who will treat you with the respect that a customer deserves.

Now, a couple of other things I would bring up. I also had an 11 foot sled with a 320 on it. I ran a 68 inch Sensenich Q on it. Really liked the combination; great push down low but it did fall off up top. I eventually put a 540 on that boat where I used a Whirlwind Excalibur on it. Loved that prop but it was not compatible with that engine. When I experienced issues with that prop, I found that Whirlwind also has fantastic customer service. I replaced the Excalibur with a RazorX and while I gave up some bottom end push, the smoothness of the 5 blades, excellent mid and top end performance more than made up for it. So, there's my $0.02. My suggestion would be to get with a dealer or manufacturer that is willing to work with you, letting you try a couple of their compatible products and make the decision from there for the prop that best meets the needs of your engine, boat and use.
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Re: Water Walker vs sensenich

Postby mojoe » Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:34 pm

OneBFC wrote:
I stand behind my advice, customer service is the #1 thing to look for. All manufacturers have the exact same challenges and issues with props in service.


Take that advice. In props and everything else you buy. No manufacturer is without issue, some just handle them better than others!!
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Re: Water Walker vs sensenich

Postby fl cracker » Sat Apr 27, 2019 12:26 am

There is no comparison when it comes to customer service between the 2 companies . Yes both have issues but sensenich provides far superior customer service. You can call Sensenich during normal business hours and they actually answer the phone lol . Do a little research you will find a lot more issues with WW coming apart and them not stand behind it. I can provide contacts to prove that statement . They’re is a reason there are 20 plus employees at Sensenich and under 5 at WW . Take a look at the abundance of blades on the side of the building at WW, sure hope those are not all failed blades .
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