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Post by Waterthunder » Fri Jan 06, 2006 10:35 am

I’m curious generally what is the most preferred rig of the websites members as in prop, rigging, motor and Hull and DD car, gearbox car, aircraft. I know 95% of the answers will be what that person owns but answer what you wish you had. In all honesty there are two other hulls I would rather own.

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Post by big feather » Fri Jan 06, 2006 11:32 am

Thunder, I admire you for asking this.

My next boat: Faron will build it, not because it's particularly fast or fancy, but because it'll be as tough as an anvil. Power will likely be a stock block 454. The 502's are awesome, but several dollars more.
I'd love to have a counter-rotator, but I can't afford one. Simple as that.

And, it'll have a belt drive(which I have now). Torqueing doesn't scare me. I like the quiet reliability of the belts, and I'll just learn to drive the thing.

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Post by dblj006 » Fri Jan 06, 2006 11:36 am

My ideal build would be 12" Hamant
with 180 or 200 lyc 4cyl
single front drive with rear pass

have had old gore single seat w/4cyl aircraft {heavy}

currently have 12" cottonmouth by Bobby Jones
with 4cyl aircraft single frt drive and double rear
pass

and also project boat BIG O 13' built for
aircraft with single frt and single rear pass

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Post by Preston » Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:59 pm

Thunder I'm currently in a 13'6"Cottonmouth/GO435 /72"Whirlwind(2 blade)/single front double rear seat. A little heavy but a tough boat. Think my next will be an 0540/12' Hamant/3 blade

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Post by cntry141iq » Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:39 pm

Thunder I am driving my favorite rig with maybe the exception of the engine which is a little weaker in the rod area than I would like.

14' alumitech slider hull w/polymer and solid grass rake 383 stroker gearbox 4 blade whirlwind master blaster frog chute cooler rack stainless rigging and rudders by buster.

My boat is not as fast as some it is not as much of a bulldozer as some but it works for me as it gives me some of both worlds. I can run rough water dry ground hill climb and idle all night froggin so what more could I want. Oh don't worry there is always something ... lets see hmmm
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Post by Waterthunder » Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:57 pm

I was happy with mine for about a month but now I want something better. I must admit I have been cruising the river three or four times on one tank of 93 she get's some incredible mileage that's for sure.

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Post by stan » Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:37 pm

The boat I am running now suits me just fine hopefully it will last me a few more years need to upgrade the rigging to stainless though .16'x 8' bear deck hull 3 man front with 4 man rear steer cadillac with a 2:1 belt drive 84" 6 blade turbo tech warp drive prop.love the way it totes a load.
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Post by Airboatcapt2 » Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:11 pm

I love my boat but I think I will put it up for sale soon and custom build another one. It does everything I want and then some but I want to keep a brand new one for people to look at. Not sure what I will build. I might take some ideas on what you guys would like to see, when it comes time to build.
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Post by cfth » Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:40 pm

Thunder,

Good question. Unfortunatly for me I think I know more of what I don't want then what I do. I have had several Apaches and one Big O. All with 0540's. If I didn't do rides and gator hunts then I believe I would like to have a 12x7.5 ultralite hamant with sinlge front, double rear and most importantly foot steering. I first learned how to run a foot steering boat and I personally love it. I would really like to run several of the boats out there though to see. I have always thought the deck over boats look really nice. But I don't know there practicallity up here. You are up here, if lake washington blows up like it can do you run or is it a problem. I have never run one of those boats so I just don't know.

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Post by Larry » Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:50 pm

I have always liked aluminum boats, was gonna put my 520 on a 12ft Hammant or a new Don Davis 12ft deckover. Then for some reason got the ideal to build this step hull. Before I decided to go with the 520 I was debating on a couple different powerplants, one being an ls1 with a gearbox and another a dd 540in aluminum headed caddy motor.
I am still thinking of building a 13ft Hammant with a caddy for a workhorse/party boat and leave the step for my fun toy.

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Post by bondsman » Fri Jan 06, 2006 8:11 pm

the boat i have is best rig for me and i will run it till i die.atleast this is what my wife has told me.
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Post by Waterthunder » Fri Jan 06, 2006 9:10 pm

That's another reason why I love my deck over I can let my wife drive in the worst of conditions and up and down banks.

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Post by c chardt » Fri Jan 06, 2006 9:33 pm

I love my 14 by 7.5 hamant hull with my square tubing rigging single front double rear rides great handles great in 2 ft white caps and 25 mph winds
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Post by COLD » Fri Jan 06, 2006 9:38 pm

OK, lets see what I have learnt. I am ordering Canadian airboats plans for a welded aluminum 8' by probably build it 17'. Some of the design isn't as nice as Farons boats, (I still like that green one in your brochure). Chev 454 mounted down low with a long belt driving a three blade master Blaster would be optimum. I guess price of the prop is my biggest concern, it's more money than i'm going to spend on the engine! Polymer on bottom and lower sides mounted with large head aluminum rivets. Operator at back, a little more over the engine than the green boat, side by side buckets with stick in middle? Quad bucket up front. I dont know if I can talk my buddy into building the reverse rotator unit, he was concerned about size of market for amount of R&D. He builds oil field stuff and except for some of his products that are already in production, most work comes on a CD or he writes code from specs and blueprints. I agree, one boat doesn't do it all well so little boat would be cool, but I think it will probably have more than 100 Hp on it. Those 65 hp boats look like fun but I dont think I could convince two friends to jump in a 8'-10' air boat. Everyone around here is used to the 9.9 hp on a 12' cartopper or we used 14' ers on the west coast saltchuck with 40 Hp. Thanks for the learning! By the way, still havent had a smoke!

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Post by barhopper » Fri Jan 06, 2006 9:44 pm

I run a 16x7.5 aluminum GTO, 400 SBC,1.91 to 1 belt drive, and a six blade Ivo. This is what I wanted and I have set it up how I wanted it. All I need to do is save my pennies to get the new 3 blade prop I want. Had a 16' Airgator slider that I thought was it until I got this new one. Go aluminum, go stainless, go polymer. go car motor, and go reduction. Can't beat the reliability and power.

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Post by UncleBubba » Fri Jan 06, 2006 10:06 pm

Rigth now I'm runnin a 12' Laser with a 302 dd ft driver and two in back.

If I could have any boat I wanted, it would be a 14'to a 16' triple W hull with a mild small block chevy belt drive 2 blade WhirlWind. Seating like a1mudpuppys and poly would be a must. That is if I could have any boat

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Post by Whitebear » Fri Jan 06, 2006 10:20 pm

The absolute best airboat I have ever run was a Robicheaux from Marks Airboats out in Louisianna with his rigging and a 490 HP 454 and a belt redrive w/ Wood prop. I was working in Seismic Research running them searching for oil and just fell in love with the hadeling and high HP go anywhere way they performed. Work boats are a vastly different beast from sport boats and they are horribly expensive but its the best I have sat in.

for a personal sport boat today, I would get one of Doug Hammant's hulls and build my own rigging with a 180 carburated engine with again a plain wood prop.

In between these two I would build a Slick hull my own rigging with my own version of a Buick 455 direct drive with a 70-44 wood prop. Great economy and super performance at a really inexpensive cost but those days are gone. There will never be any more Slick hulls.
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Post by COLD » Fri Jan 06, 2006 10:41 pm

Hi Whitebear, You like the wood props and I know nothing about props except basic physics and science. I don't know about the feel when you punch the throttle etc. I have a prop on my ski boat that slips at low rpm like a 17" and tops like a 19". I imagine there are differences in design and materials on airboat props as well. Florida Airboat props look like a nice product and seem affordable! Why wood you recomend wood?

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Post by COLD » Fri Jan 06, 2006 10:48 pm

Whitebear! also regarding the Buick. While I have checked ot the 455's and they are quite impressive, in order to get compression you have to buy some pretty nice heads. 454 I can pop in a set of pistons and have something pretty reasonable even with 118 cc heads. I'm thinking with the direct drive, your thinking you don't really need the compression, there WILL be enough torque! am I right?

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Post by Whitebear » Fri Jan 06, 2006 10:56 pm

Cold

Its more a personal thing I guess. I ran some of the big work boats with the plastic props and they did outperform the wood props. I guess its the beauty of fresh wood and the mellow sound along with the traditional look. Being an Old Fa** I guess I just dont like plastic props any better than plastic saddles. Both work well, I just dont like em. Sorry to dissapoint, I have nothing technically against the new composites. :lol:

The Buick has a HUGE thrust collar in the middle of the crank, not on one end. The '69-say '71 engines dont need any work on the heads. LOW copression is the trick in direct drive. Its not a race engine, its a tractor engine. Teh snap and rev limiting comes from distributor tricks. Another thing about teh Buick is its the same size as a small block chevy and is lighter than any Big Block Chevy. Its a simple engine you can work on in your driveway. Flat pistons and hydraulic lifters and stock rockers on a single shaft. Without intimate knowledge of the Buick, it isnt something ya drag out of the car and drop in your boat. I doubt it would be a good redrive engine. :lol:
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Post by Airboatcapt2 » Fri Jan 06, 2006 11:09 pm

Great Post WaterThunder!
I love seeing everyones ideas of a dream boat. I hope more people read it and post. The best part is that everyones is different.
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Post by COLD » Fri Jan 06, 2006 11:24 pm

Thats cool, Is the pontiac a contender also? They sure are more inexpensive from the purchase standpoint. Might take some looking for a 70-71. lots of 75 stuff around. Only thing is im still kind of hung up about is the engine up high. Just cant imagine an engine all the way up there. It must have to create some kind of thrust ballance. I remember push left rudder to counteract asymetrical thrust but back in my mind I still think of good skier, tube or parachute on the ski pole, is it different?

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Direct drive

Post by Whitebear » Sat Jan 07, 2006 6:51 am

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The Pontiac and the Oldsmobile are the only two I have seen break cranks in direct drive applicaions. Both are a bit anemic in the performance department compared to the Buick.

The weight of the Buick isn't much different than a 540 or 220 GPU, only a little heavier. Yes every inch you move up creates a different length to the energy dispercal vector and of course the tourque becomes more perceptable. Big heavy automotive engines arent the ultimate solution, just cheeper than buying an aircraft engine outright. And in the fuel copnsumption department, I used to run all weekend with a 12 gallon tank and a 5 gallon jug. The Buick set up "my way" is easy on gas and will do fine on 87 octane. Performance wise it runs about like a 260 HP 540 but doesnt have the go of a 300 up stack 540. It won't even come close to a 454 with a redrive but it sure is a LOT lighter. Buicks are hard to find now and I guess their days are over. Cadliiac makes a good driect drive engine, but my gawd they are heavy.

I put my teenage son in a little decked over glades boat with a new 90 HP GPU and a big single airfoil rudder and he could still do 90% of everything I did and could even run some dry long stretches I couldnt. He didn't burn near the gas I did even. Of course he didnt have an electric start and he was light weight too. When the big O-540s were stuck and out of gas in the middle of nowhere, he could bring them gas and shutdown then simply drive off when they had to drag their boats. Performance is a tradeoff with a lot of things, you can brute force it or you can finesse it, either work but the cost is different.

Asymetrical thrust & torque. Yes you can screw your boat right into the water. Thge high engine mount and a long prop are the worst of both worlds. Centerline thrust is better and a shorter prop will ease the heavy torque roll at take off in deep water. Yes you'll lose a bit of push with the shorter prop, but you gain a bit of red line RPM before the prop cavitates or explodes which ever comes first. :lol: Off to work
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Post by Croc1 » Sat Jan 07, 2006 7:16 am

13' x 8' air ranger with rake, 550HP Thunder ,Rotator box, powershift prop.
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Post by Waterthunder » Sat Jan 07, 2006 7:50 am

This is what I hoped for, not one boat or combination has come up twice. There have been a variety of answers. The Buick 455 makes a great DD motor I have seen some run for years and years. The Pontiac 455’s are good too but the DD motor I would prefer would be a 455 Olds they have some good feature’s and a lot of after market parts are available. The Buick has some inherent oiling system flaws that must be address and the Pontiacs have some crank and rod issues (I never liked their cast connecting rods) Yuk! but the Old’s is about right right out of the box. At one time I was building a DD Olds to race but I just built another Gearbox SBC INSTEAD.

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