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Post by mascara » Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:35 pm

Hi, Everybody,

This questions looks a bit out of place, but was wondering if bikers on SA can help.

Are foreigners allowed to buy a motorbike ,say in Florida and shipped it out later when we leave?

How does the taxation work ? and do we get a tax rebate when we leave?

Appreciate any bikers or tax specialist feedback.

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Post by jaxduramax » Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:49 pm

If you don't register it at a state DMV then you won't pay sales tax. Or just buy what you want from an individual if it is for off highway use. Import taxes will be based on where you ship it. Shipping costs and wait times for an item that small will vary widely. Anything you buy where sales tax is assessed and then you export it doesn't mean you get your sales tax back.

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Post by Whitebear » Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:33 am

Might make more sense to buy it here when or just before you arrive and sell it here as you leave. Might also consider a Lease to avoid the hassle of ownership for short period.

Sorry cant address the import/export tax issues.
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Post by mascara » Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:44 am

Hi,

I am looking to buy for use on the highway and shipped it back in the container that is used to ship the airboat back
together with all the airboat spare parts etc......I m looking at a 20 foot container.

It seems that different states have different rules and regulations, for example, if I go Honda at Tenessee / Chattoonoga/
their prices are different from say, Honda in Florida, and I guess the further north I go , the prices vary again.

So I am thinking to buy the bike in Tennesse and ride to Florida, and ship it out from my container.

Looking at the Honda Goldwing 2014 edition or Honda Valkrie 1800 / 2014 edition.

Does my plan make sense?

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Post by Whitebear » Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:18 am

Dealerships are individually owned so their prices will vary some, but shouldn't be by more than a few hundred dollars.

Sounds like a plan on the surface, but as we all know the devil is in the details.

Good choice of bike.
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Post by highlife57 » Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:37 am

Get ya a real bike!!!!! HD. :D :stirpot:

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Post by BenBad » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:46 am

There is one other thing to think about and that is insurance. Most states have an in-transit rule that allows a period of time that you can drive a vehicle without putting a license on it. I am sure it is different per state. I would check with the dealer you are buying it from and let them do some of the information finding. I do know that there was several from Germany that bought Harley Davidsons in Rapid City South Dakota and road them during Sturgis and then shipped them back home. I do not know all the details. I vote to buy a Harley Davidson also I have a 2003 HD Road King Police addition. I do know there are places to rent motorcycles also.
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Post by Whitebear » Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:07 am

While deleting double clicked messages, I "may" have just now deleted an extra one. If you posted here and your post is missing, just repost. My bad. It happens.
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Post by Sniper » Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:31 am

I have a friend here in Atlanta the has a large Bike shop he has Honda Suzuki and Triumph if that is any one of the brands you are looking for and while your here I can do the Airboat training for you at the same time
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Post by KC5AKB » Tue Jul 22, 2014 9:38 am

Man sounds like you should talk to Sniper!
He might be able to fulfill all your needs
Except loading the bike and boat for the trip home.
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Post by mascara » Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:18 am

Hi, Everybody,

Thanks for all the advice and feedbacks.

Honda's , Yamaha's and Suzuki's are some of the bikes that is easy on parts and service in Singapore, but niche bikes like the HD's and Triumph's and Spyder Can Am's are less popular here and are marketed by very strong dealers who will not sell you any parts and even service your bike, once they find out you brought in the bike yourself, unless you pay them a "adoption" fee that ranges from S$5000/- upwards!!

That's why we would have to consider carefully how and what types of bikes we can buy.

Hey Sniper, I may just take up your offer of your friends big bike shop and work from there. Training under you for airboat usage is very important and will definitely use it. I will inform you in due course.

The distinct advantage would be the ability to ship back my bike in the container I will use to ship the airboat.

Taxation in Singapore is pretty straight forward, but the puzzle would be how to go about it in say Florida or even Atlanta.

I will try to find out a bit more on the taxes and way to go about it I guess from the American Trade Attache here in Singapore, but I don't know if they will entertain enquiries for just 1 bike.

Btw, there is a brand call the "Red Indian" bike in the States, which we read about, but there is none here in Singapore, anyone has any knowledge or actually rode one? Looks real cool though.......

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Post by Whitebear » Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:29 pm

There is the Indian Brand name. They have gone through various in and outs being in business and then not. Its a top of the line bike but the Indian motors had some issues and the last I heard they now have S&S Motors in them. Its a very desirable bike. If thats the brand you mean.
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Post by mascara » Tue Jul 22, 2014 9:11 pm

Hi Whitebear,

Yes, that the one , but basically the problem is parts and back up services, but I will look at them when I am in Florida.

Btw, there is none in Singapore , so that's a added problem.

Errrrrrr.......what is S&S engines? :scratch:

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Post by Whitebear » Tue Jul 22, 2014 9:49 pm

S&S Engines are the Top Level custom V-Twin power house engines. Drop in replacements for the HD, Indian, and any other custom installation. From mild to WILD HP ratings. Probably the best V-Twin ever made. I'm no authority on these beasts but here is their page.
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Post by mascara » Tue Jul 22, 2014 9:54 pm

Thanks whitebear! :salute:

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Post by Muddyduck » Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:38 pm

The price differences you are seeing are driven by multiple factors including supply/demand as well as tax rate. Tax rates vary state to state and even county to county. Most vehicle prices do not include sales tax as is it is calculated on the final sale price. I doubt that a dealer in TN has much experience with export sales. You might try a dealer in Miami or other large export city. Also, the container company you are using should be able to help. Sniper's friend in Atlanta might be a good choice, but Atlanta is more of an air export city whereas sea export cities move more vehicles. You have to figure in the cost of transportation to you container site. I would think there is a big difference in buying a bike intended for immediate export without US title versus having it licensed and then trying to ship it as a used/owned vehicle.
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Post by mascara » Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:29 pm

Muddyduck wrote:The price differences you are seeing are driven by multiple factors including supply/demand as well as tax rate. Tax rates vary state to state and even county to county. Most vehicle prices do not include sales tax as is it is calculated on the final sale price. I doubt that a dealer in TN has much experience with export sales. You might try a dealer in Miami or other large export city. Also, the container company you are using should be able to help. Sniper's friend in Atlanta might be a good choice, but Atlanta is more of an air export city whereas sea export cities move more vehicles. You have to figure in the cost of transportation to you container site. I would think there is a big difference in buying a bike intended for immediate export without US title versus having it licensed and then trying to ship it as a used/owned vehicle.

Hey, Muddyduck,

Thanks for the advice., especially on the air and sea shipping.

My idea was to buy a bike and ride it ,say from Tennesse or Atlanta to Florida, visit a few dealers, place an order for a airboat, and ship
it back via a 20 foot container together with a airboat, so sea export would be a must.

How I can buy and ride it in the USA is one consideration, but I think as long as all the legal requirements are in order, e.g. insurance, licenses, it should not be a problem......but like they say, " the devil is in the details".

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Post by highlife57 » Thu Jul 24, 2014 5:19 am

How are u going to get a motorcycle and a airboat and parts in a 20ft shipping container. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by Whitebear » Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:44 am

Remove the grass rake..... OR....... maybe put the bike IN the airboat.

We have a big green truck that comes around here about once a week with what looks like a 20' container on the back of it. They load it till its full then the 45 ton hydraulic ram helps load some more. They can get several 75' trees in it at one time. :idea:
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Post by mascara » Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:45 am

Yes, I planning to sit the bike IN the airboat like what whitebear said , since I am looking for a 16 or 18 footer airboat, it may
be a tight squeeze, but we may just make it, but I am not 100% sure.

Plan B would be a wooden frame sitting in the airboat and the bike on the wooden frame itself, sort of elevated
from the base of the airboat.

Plan C would be a 40 foot container, which would be the easiest way.

I will have to decide which airboat and then work out the measurements of the bike and improvise from there.

we will see.......Thanks guys.

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Post by akblackdawg » Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:35 am

Maybe things have changed since I was young, but I always had the idea that Honda and other bikes made in Asia had inflated price in US due to duty etc that had to be paid when imported into the US. Have you checked on ordering your Honda there in your country without going through the US with it, and maybe renting a bike or car or both on your trip here to the US. Might be a better way to go, especially when considering the added weight to the container you will need to pay shipping on. But maybe tax has changed since I was young to where US prices are the same as Asia prices now. You should be able to find that out easy enough. Bud
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Post by Whitebear » Thu Jul 24, 2014 11:21 am

I'm pretty sure Japan enjoys the "Most Favored Nation" status. I remember when I was young Honda was about the least expensive motorcycle that could be bought. I then remember when my kids was in school their bikes came with a horrid import duty. Seems like it was way over 100%. But I bet that has been remedied by now.
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Post by bigkavr » Thu Jul 24, 2014 4:25 pm

Mascara,

Just a FYI, an 8' (i.e. 16x8, 18x8) wide airboat generally will NOT fit in a standard shipping container. You may have to go to a 7.5' wide airboat. Also, you'll have to disassemble the trailer because it too will be too wide to fit in the container. One more piece of advice; if you have to take the axles off the trailer OR you have to load the airboat separate from the trailer, place the airboat (or airboat/trailer) on a bed of old tires and tie it down every which way you can.. When you think you've got enough tie down straps on it, put a few more on.. It's unbelievable how much abuse those shipping containers go through in transit.......
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Post by mascara » Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:58 am

Hey Guys,

Thanks for all the tips.

Just one year ago , USA was making all the Goldwings, the F6b & F6c valkries , and was exported to all over the world and ironically back to Japan, however due to the stronger US dollar , Japan have restarted the manufactures of the goldwings because the US $ has risen
ans so the cost has gone up.

So now we have 2 versions of the goldwings , the USA and the Japanese versions, it sounds confusing, but Singapore has such a small market that the local dealer brings in something like 3 or 4 bikes each time, so cost is high, and does not really makes sense.

Theoretically it is cheaper to bring in from japan, but the cost of shipment, a stronger yen and language difficulties makes things difficult.

I would only save if my containers moves from say, Florida, and savings is only in freight and slight sellers discount and savings is about $3500/-+-.

Thanks for the info Bigkavr, I am aware of the size limitations and would make the width 7feet 6 inches......thanks for the reminder.

As for securing the airboat down, yes, tires are an alternative and a wooden frame with the airboat sitting on it and tied down is another way, I will settle this when I get down to florida and seek some expert advice from SA members and of course the shipping company.
Shrink wrapping may help too.

I will explore my options carefully and work out the best deal possible.

Cheers! :cheers:

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