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can airboat be airlifted by a helicopter

Post by mascara » Tue Dec 30, 2014 10:59 am

hi Everyone,

I am curious as to whether a airboat say a 20 footer by 8 feet can be airlifted by a helicopter for rapid deployment in a place which is located far away from the airboat location.

Would the aluminium hull be able to withstand the stress of being airlifted?

Expert comments please.

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Re: can airboat be airlifted by a helicopter

Post by Bob in Canada » Tue Dec 30, 2014 11:12 am

The answer to this is also of interest to me but for a different reason . If my boat breaks down badly here where there are no other airboats can it be recovered with a helicopter ? How would you rig it to be lifted ?
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Post by highlife57 » Tue Dec 30, 2014 11:24 am

Anything is possible if u have enough money. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by plumcrazy » Tue Dec 30, 2014 11:24 am

if straped right and the right chopper absolutly ive seen all sorts of vehicals and heavy equipment brought by chopper when i was in thw service

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Post by In the Glades » Tue Dec 30, 2014 11:31 am

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Sikorskys can lift tanks, anything is possible.


If you are worried about structural integrity you might need a platform set up to put it on

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Post by plumcrazy » Tue Dec 30, 2014 11:38 am

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Post by Olf Art » Tue Dec 30, 2014 11:52 am

plumcrazy wrote:if straped right and the right chopper absolutly ive seen all sorts of vehicals and heavy equipment brought by chopper when i was in thw service
Absolutely. Wide straps under the hull to make a kind of a harness and a Chinook or several others could haul one on a sling load.
Another option would be to make the cage 'quick detachable' with some locking clevis pins ..... then you could slide one right up
into a cargo bay of either a heavy helicopter or an airplane and snap it back together in a few minutes when it's unloaded.
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Re: can airboat be airlifted by a helicopter

Post by Scarecrow » Tue Dec 30, 2014 12:04 pm

I don't see why not, objects much larger than airboats are airlifted all the time. :rebel:

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Post by scottyroll » Tue Dec 30, 2014 12:06 pm

I would think an open airboat hull would act kind of like a parachute and could end up moving around quite violently during and after lift off. But I don't think that Sikorsky shown above would care too much 8)
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Post by AirRanger » Tue Dec 30, 2014 12:10 pm

scottyroll wrote:I would think an open airboat hull would act kind of like a parachute and could end up moving around quite violently during and after lift off. But I don't think that Sikorsky shown above would care too much 8)
I think a tight fitted custom cover could make the airboat more streamline for flight.
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Re: can airboat be airlifted by a helicopter

Post by scottyroll » Tue Dec 30, 2014 12:20 pm

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scottyroll wrote:I would think an open airboat hull would act kind of like a parachute and could end up moving around quite violently during and after lift off. But I don't think that Sikorsky shown above would care too much 8)
I think a tight fitted custom cover could make the airboat more streamline for flight.
agreed, and from my *Expert experience playing with GI Joes as a kid; a parachute works best while falling and not being dragged or lifted :lol:

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Post by Bob in Canada » Tue Dec 30, 2014 3:18 pm

A couple of years ago when I was way back in the boonies where only an airboat could go I was thinking " What if a rod broke and went out the side of the block right about now? How would I ever get this boat out of here ? "
I asked around and the closest place with a "work" type helicopter is 150 miles away and they charge $ 1,400.00 an hour to do a job .
Having that in your mind is enough to discourage you from boldly going where no man has gone before .
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Re: can airboat be airlifted by a helicopter

Post by WBell » Tue Dec 30, 2014 3:23 pm

As a helicopter pilot I can give you a few details. All external load operations (lifting) are governed by Part 133 of the Federal Aviation Regulations. Therefore, you need an FAA certificated lift operation for such.

Weight is the other factor. Light helicopters such as the Robinson R44 can lift around 900lbs safely. A Eurocopter AS350, which is a popular lift heli, can do around a ton (2,000 lbs).

Above that weight you are getting into some pretty heavy iron and costs. I mean it might be cheaper to fly in the cage, engine, etc separately and assemble on site. This is how the miners do it in Alaska with heavy equipment. They will disassemble a grader, fly in the pieces and reassemble at the site.

Remember, helicopters don't have a very long range when slinging heavy loads.

But you could do a small 14-15 footer airboat at about 1,700 lbs with an AS350. I would think somewhere in the neighborhood of $2,000.00 per hour would cover the bill.

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Re: can airboat be airlifted by a helicopter

Post by Scarecrow » Tue Dec 30, 2014 3:34 pm

Sounds like a helicopter cost about the same as an airboat to operate. :lol: :rebel:

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Post by WBell » Tue Dec 30, 2014 3:38 pm

Lol - at least you get a driver for the $2k whereas you have to drive your own airboat!

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Post by Sniper » Tue Dec 30, 2014 6:39 pm

The answer to this question is absolutly when I went to Brunei to train there Army all the boats were set up for that
with lifting rings
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Re: can airboat be airlifted by a helicopter

Post by Lwells » Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:35 pm

I got a stupid question. Why would you get an expensive helicopter to get your airboat out of an area where no airboats are when you could probably get your buddy with his mud buggy to come get you alot cheaper? LOL

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Re: can airboat be airlifted by a helicopter

Post by Chaseh » Tue Dec 30, 2014 10:34 pm

Hes over seas i think, Lwells

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Post by Bob in Canada » Tue Dec 30, 2014 11:08 pm

The last time I saw a swamp buggy it was six days drive from here ( round trip ) at the West Palm Beach Airboat and Swamp buggy show .
Kind of tough for me to got to FL , borrow one , float it home and back then come home again . 12 days driving .
I sure would like to have one up here .
One thing that ran through my mind was putting the boat up on logs , tarp it over and come back and tow it out with snowmobiles after everything freezes. That wouldn't take more than six or seven months max..
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Re: can airboat be airlifted by a helicopter

Post by Big Casino » Wed Dec 31, 2014 7:10 am

Hey Mascara, it's like that old country song "...if you got the money honey, i got the time..." There are plenty of reputable companies out there with a number of different ships capable of lifting your boat. There wont be any issues with wind, shaking, etc. They will just rig your boat on a long line. It's not a matter of "if" its simply "how much you willing to spend"

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Post by K-mac » Wed Dec 31, 2014 7:57 am

Brings to mind a story from the past. When I worked on the ranch, late (70s, early 80s)
a small plane went down in the marsh north of the ranch, about half way to lake Florence.
They arranged for a lift chopper to get it out, and were going to set it in the field next
to our horse barn. Well seein as how none of us had ever seen anything like this before,
it did bring quite a crowd to the horse barn that morning. It was a clear sunny morning,
just before lunch time, and here it came. It was a big chopper, I have no idea what brand.
The airplane, a single engine, lower wing type was hanging down about 50, or 60 feet from
the chopper. It was not showing much damage, and was hanging in line with the chopper
as if they were flying in a slow formation. They came around to the east end of the barn,
about 2 or 3 hundred yards out in the field. the wind was light and steady out of the west
and when they turned back into the wind, the plane started to lift closing distance between
it and the chopper. At what looked like a couple hundred feet up, the chopper released the
strap, and the plane nose dived right into the ground. It looked like what was quite fixable,
was now scrap. Sorry to get a bit off topic, but it brought up a memory.
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Post by happy harold » Wed Dec 31, 2014 8:44 am

that sounds like my luck.

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Post by gyrocopter582 » Thu Jan 01, 2015 7:13 am

They should have hauled it facing backwards....
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Re: can airboat be airlifted by a helicopter

Post by mascara » Thu Jan 01, 2015 7:30 am

Sniper wrote:The answer to this question is absolutly when I went to Brunei to train there Army all the boats were set up for that
with lifting rings
Hey Sniper,

I think you have got exactly what I have in mind, ----lifting rings---- how would it affect the design of the hull,extra stringers? without affecting the weight of the hull too much?

The question is not so much on the cost of airlifting the airboat but when an national emergency strikes, I think the last thing on the mind of the national guard would be the cost of renting a helicopter :roll:

Airboat hull experts care to comment on the how to incorporate the lifting rings?

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Re: can airboat be airlifted by a helicopter

Post by Sniper » Fri Jan 02, 2015 6:06 am

Talk To Diamondback they are the ones that built it and set it up for that
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