ROGG - Another Nail is needed in it's Coffin

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Post by wilemotorsports » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:04 pm

that was easy and alot better than going to all the meeting to here all there BS come on all you southern airboat members VOTE

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Post by Scotty1 » Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:30 pm

:rebel: 700 views and only 25 signed what is up people get on board :rebel:

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Thanks Scotty 1

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Post by glades cat » Tue Jul 21, 2015 5:07 pm

Thanks Frank
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Post by MarshRider » Sat Jul 25, 2015 4:23 pm

Marsh Rider has done the first of at least two stories on this terrible idea.
We will put the link to sign the petition on our website.
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Post by gladesman » Sat Jul 25, 2015 4:59 pm

And a Great Thanks to Marsh Rider for their help to inform folks about the stealthful River of Grass Greenway (ROGG) - the worst idea in the Glades since the Jetport airport that caused the controversy that created the Big Cypress Preserve.

Hopefully Mayor Carlos Gimenez of Miami Dade will weigh in on this bad idea like he did on the air show in the Glades which had hardly any habitat impact - ROGG is at least a thousand times (1000X) worse.

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Post by Red woman » Sat Jul 25, 2015 6:07 pm

A Big Thank you to Marsh River for helping get the word out about River of Grass Greenway (ROGG). This bad idea that wants to replace the traditional users of the Glades to their "Preferred User" need to be stopped in its tracks.

The petition https://www.change.org/search?q=rogg, needs as many signatures as possible. On the Sierra Club letter Frank was talking about, businesses can sign on too, not just organizations. I just signed on my business. They already got some of the local businesses right on 41 thats gonna be hurt signed on. They need as many organizations and businesses to join in.

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Post by josenovo » Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:23 pm

Very happy to sighn this petition and fight for the rights of many against this unneeded path of everglades destruction ! :proud:

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Post by gladesman » Tue Aug 11, 2015 10:27 pm

Marsh Rider's article is out in the Aug/Sept edition and is quite informative about this major mistake called River of Grass Greenway being pushed by some who possibly stand to make millions from it.

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Post by Gangreen » Wed Aug 12, 2015 9:13 am

Signed.

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Post by gladesman » Sat Aug 29, 2015 2:02 pm

Another nail has been driven home into ROGG's coffin - Betty Osceola and I this reporter on a tour as we have others and he pretty well hit the nail on the head

http://naplesdailynews.fl.newsmemory.co ... =274d2cf28

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Naples Daily News | Page A03 Thursday, 27 August 2015
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Add a path for bicyclists across Glades?

Even green groups oppose $145 million Greenway plan

“I have business in Miami today, but rather than driving my pollution- spewing car, I wish I could pedal my bike over instead,” said no one, ever.

A bike path linking Naples to Miami — premised in part on the questionable promise of a reduction in auto exhaust — has drawn a negative response from an odd coalition of environmental groups and businesses.

The comment period for the latest draft plan for the River of Grass Greenway endedAug. 15.

Beating the deadline was a letter written by the Sierra Club and signed by more than 60 other environmental groups and business along U.S. 41, the route of the proposed path.

“This project is an unnecessary use of public funds while community benefits are minimal and dubious in value,” the groups’ letter states.

Much more than an asphalt strip on the shoulder of the Tamiami Trail, the latest incarnation of theROGG, as it is called, has morphed into a tourist attraction in its own right.

At dozens of points along the way, the path would veer off U.S. 41 and venture into the wilds of the Everglades and Big Cypress through mangroves, hardwood forests and wetlands.

Many such diversions would be made necessary by the narrow bridges that cross some 70 canals and creeks. There simply isn’t enough room for cars and bikes. One diversion would wind 600 feet off the road to go around a piece of property owned

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from 3Aby the Miccosukee Tribe, which also opposes the project and has vowed not to allow it on its land.

In some cases, the off-road jaunts simply would give bikers and hikers a better view of the wilderness.

“The more windy and curvy, the more popular. The closer to the highway, the less popular,” observed Betty Osceola, a Collier County resident and Miccosukee Tribe member who is among the leaders of the opposition.

All of the forays away from U.S. 41 would require construction of elevated boardwalks or earthen berms. That construction would harm the environment and obstruct views of the Everglades now available from the road, Osceola said.

The ROGG still is in the planning stages.

Many hurdles remain because the route would cross jurisdictions of Collier County, Miami-Dade County, the National Park Service, the Florida Department of Transportation, a host of state and national parks and preserves, tribal land and private property.

268-page plan

But it’s more than just a pipe dream, too. Money and effort have been put into a detailed 268-page plan — www. miamidade.gov/rogg/aboutgreenway. asp — prepared by the Miami-Dade Parks and Recreation Department.

The plan shows potential routes and diagrams of boardwalks and berms that could be used.

The draft plan, released in May, puts the total cost of the 76-mile greenway, if developed under the most expansive scenario, at $145 million. That’s almost double the figure quoted just a few months ago.

The plan touts the economic, social and health benefits supporters predict would flow from the ROGG. It also suggests policies that would accompany it.

It is in those passages that Frank Denninger, a selfdescribed Gladesman from Hialeah, sees problems. The draft discusses potential conflicts between hunters, fishermen and the cyclists and hikers the greenway would attract. New rules — Denninger interprets that to mean more regulations — might be needed, the plan states.

The narrative also spells out the true nature of the ROGG. Beyond being a long bike path where serious cyclists could go on for uninterrupted miles, the ROGG is envisioned in one scenario as a tourist attraction unto itself.

Only about 7 percent of bicycle trips are more than 10 miles, the study says, so an estimated 500,000 people per year would come to the greenway specifically to bike just a part of it.

They’d drive to get there, increasing car traffic. But by partnering with bus companies that would ferry cyclists to parking hubs included in the ROGG plan, the greenway operators could reduce vehicle traffic. Thus the supposed effect of less pollution. Never mind that if the greenway isn’t built, those riders wouldn’t be attracted to the middle of the Evergladesto begin with.

Osceola’s family runs the Buffalo Tiger Airboat attraction in Miami-Dade County. But she isn’t excited about the prospect of more tourists. The impact on the environment and the potential disruption of tribal heritage are more important to tribe members.

“These people have been out here for generations. They understand it will be detrimental to the environment” she said.

400 miles OF TRails nOW

There already are 400 miles of paved and unpaved roads and trails suitable for biking between Shark Valley and Collier Seminole State Park, Osceola said.

“Use what you have, don’t create stuff and destroy more areas.”

Denninger said much of the construction would be in areas the planners classify as “disturbed” because it would be within the road’s 200-foot right of way.

Standing in ankle-deep water surrounded by sawgrass 20 paces from the pavement, Denninger points out that nature rules in that footprint justa few feet from the road’s edge.

“They say it’s disturbed land,” he said. “I leave it up to the eye of the beholder.”

The Sierra Club and its allies, normally no friends of the internal combustion engine, in their letter take the unusual step of advocating for drivers. The ability of cars to stop along U.S. 41 would be hampered by the greenway and its amenities, they say.

“To accommodate ROGG, breakdown lanes would no longer be wide enough for many vehicles and car doors would open much closer to highway traffic,” they wrote.

“The shoulders have always allowed parking for fishing, nature watching, hiking, boating and other uses.

“The project plan favors the interests of nonmotorized recreation over that of highway motorist safety.”

At least a portion of the green community doesn’t see the River of Grass Greenway as being particularly green.

Connect with Brent Batten at brent.batten@naplesnews.com, on Twitter@NDN_BrentBatten and at facebook.com/ndnbrentbatten.
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Post by Plastertech2518 » Sat Aug 29, 2015 2:16 pm

Signed!
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Post by gladesman » Sat Aug 29, 2015 2:16 pm

We are now getting in direct contact with FDEP's Office of Greenway and Trails (OGT) and requesting them to REMOVE River of Grass Greenway (ROGG) from their planning processes and see to it ROGG doesn't get on FDEP's "priority trail list".

Possibly folks here can assist in sending this message to the following email addresses to help out a bit.

Send Messages to -

doug.alderson@dep.state.fl.us

Christine.Small@dep.state.fl.us

Messages need to politely request them to remove River of Grass Greenway from any and all opportunity maps AND that ROGG NOT be put on any FDEP Priority Trail Maps if that were to happen it would receive grant funding for various aspects of construction and planning.

We signed a petition and now doing this is putting more nails in ROGG's coffin. How many nails do we need? I don't know but suspect we should keep on driving them in until we here this project is Black Flag DEAD.

Trust me folks people in Washington DC are aware of ROGG now - things are happening but we can't be over confident - We MUST keep the push ON.

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Post by Myakka Rooster » Sun Aug 30, 2015 11:56 am

:old_glory: done :rebel:

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Post by Hardtail » Sun Aug 30, 2015 5:21 pm

"SIGNED" it is not very hard to do so all on this sight should consider signing if you believe.
no postage either, just do it...

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Post by gladesman » Mon Aug 31, 2015 12:05 am

Signing the petition is good and Thanks to All who have done so..

Emailing FDEP's 2 Office of Greenway and Trails contacts below requesting them to take the actions in bold print is very important NOw.

Possibly folks here can assist in sending a message to the following email addresses to help out a bit.

Send Messages to -

doug.alderson@dep.state.fl.us

Christine.Small@dep.state.fl.us

Messages need to politely request them to remove River of Grass Greenway from any and all opportunity maps AND that ROGG NOT be put on any FDEP Priority Trail Maps if that were to happen it would receive grant funding for various aspects of construction and planning.

Thanks in Advance

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Post by glades cat » Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:33 am

Requests sent. Pass it on.
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Post by gladesman » Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:40 am

Thanks a lot Glades.

Hopefully many will do the same - it will mean a lot in this effort that agencies see follow thru at every point along the way to Stopping ROGG.

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Post by newoldglory » Mon Aug 31, 2015 4:52 pm

I've got 19 signatures today already. More coming. :florida:
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Post by catchment38 » Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:06 pm

:thumbleft: ME TOO... :thumbleft:

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Post by Eric Kimmel » Tue Sep 01, 2015 8:25 am

sent in a copy of my comment letter to both dep people seperatly and our request that FDEP remove this project from its plans

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Post by newoldglory » Tue Sep 01, 2015 7:09 pm

I now have 41 confirmed signatures from my "friends" list. I thank each and every one of you that has cared enough to get involved. :cheers: Please take the time to send those e'mail's also. :salute:
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Post by gladesman » Tue Sep 01, 2015 7:18 pm

Great job Sir. We're hoping to hit 5000 signatures soon.

With folks like you helping I have faith we'll make that goal.

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Post by gladesman » Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:00 am

Celebration Time - Confidence, that we can effect change, Commitment and hard work =

If the text from the Naples news/editorial article emailed to me is true - someone help me I can't shake these goose bumps.


ROGG is DEAD -

Naples Pathways Coalition
The majority of the Naples Pathways Coalition’s board is making the right call by parting ways with the River of Grass Greenway project to instead focus on making bicycle paths and walkways safer in urban areas.
The nonprofit board’s split decision to end participation, which started several years ago, in exploring the 76-mile River of Grass Greenway recreational path from Naples to Miami is being announced in a newsletter just distributed to coalition members.
The newsletter was shared with the Naples Daily News following its publication of an editorial Tuesday. The editorial called for an end to government funding and public employee involvement with the River of Grass Greenway idea until nongovernment sources are lined up to further explore and pay for any specific projects. A study this summer suggested a price tag of about $150 million for a project we believe would have limited usage in the middle of the Everglades.
The Pathways Coalition’s active endorsement of the Greenway should begin to disappear from websites once a nonprofit is formed to take over work on the idea. The Pathways Coalition’s executive director, Beth Brainard, said Tuesday the organization instead will focus its efforts on safe walking and bicycling paths within Collier County.
Kudos to the Naples Pathways Coalition’s board majority for realizing the limitations of government dollars and targeting its priorities accordingly.
A small group of citizens is hoping to get papers in order to form a nonprofit to further explore the Greenway. Assuming it gets its required documentation in place in the coming days or weeks, we encourage participants to turn to foundations and private supporters — not federal, state or local government employees — to continue work on this idea.
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