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Re: no more airboats in ENP?

Post by HuntingBigun » Fri Sep 04, 2015 9:21 am

Hardtail wrote:Well,,, you know even YellowStone has access to it's interior, trails throughout, Snowmobiles too, so this blocking the airboats in the Everglades National Park is some connection we don't know, some how it jumped into law without the public even knowing what is going on, this is a surprise to us, unless I missed something, seem the Airboat Association would have known something, this must have been the best kept secret in recent history. We the People are no longer in control. The Government is all about CONTROL. and being in control Of The People. Our Constitutional Rights are violated here and left unchecked it will continue until no freedom exists. SO lets all sell our airboats while they have some value or lets put up a fight. It is all or soon to be nothing!!!!!!!!!

Yellowstone is a good example of how they have screwed the sportsmen, you are correct they have trails all thru Yellowstone for foot hiking, very little for horses and they stopped letting you ride a snowmobile unless your in a guided group and on trail, limited number of those as well because of noise, back in 85 you just rented one in west Yellowstone and had at it, times are changing for the worse even in Yosemite this is last year for horse back riding in the valley by concessions that have done it for years too much pollution they say from manure. The list goes on jeep trails in the Smokey mnt Nation Park, we really have limited places to run in Florida if you look at all the counties & cities that have outright bans or curfews. Every month KRVSA is meeting with FWC or someone trying to maintain our rights to ride Kissimmee and that right came because KRVSA sued and won in 85 or you would not be riding Gardner Marsh this weekend.

Join a club and be active is first step to getting more of a voice with our government, at KRVSA meeting last night we talked about this as most of the active members we all are AARP card carrying gray hairs :D :D :D :D so get our youth involved, same thing for most clubs be it turkey foundation, Elks club or even the Boy Scouts. Not going fix it asap but it is best weapon we have is to truly unite and participate being a member of a club is not the same things as being active in the club. All our clubs need help as remember even the FAA is 100% volunteer origination just like all the airboat clubs in FLorida, heck PETA has huge paid staff same as most of the National tree hugging clubs.
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Re: no more airboats in ENP?

Post by bwright » Fri Sep 04, 2015 9:35 pm

In the 90s one of the biggest problem was: Airboat curfews and restrictions on Federal land, Everglades National Park acquired the East Everglades Expansion Area in 1989. Sportsmen went to meetings and negotiate what they could at the time (PROBLEM) no one enjoys going to meetings and giving public comment, bottom line this property has had airboat opportunities for the last 25 years after being acquired, because a few people attend meetings we knew this day was coming.

Airboaters (WE/U/ME/ALL) must join your local club if you're planning to carry the Heritage on we gotten smarter with unity and working the law to our advantage. Today's history shows that unity is working we must keep networking to ensure our future so get involved today if your children are going to Airboat tomorrow.
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Re: no more airboats in ENP?

Post by Sniper » Sat Sep 05, 2015 10:25 pm

It makes me sick to we the liberties the government takes with our land they just do what ever the he'll they want to do and have no reguard for the people that live there or use the land,makes me sick
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Re: no more airboats in ENP?

Post by OLD MAN JONES » Sun Sep 06, 2015 8:08 pm

This is and should be the single most important topic on this site and in presence of mind. Not because it is END (ENP), but because it is a way of our heritage, our culture, our freedom and our future. The wild lands of this great nation will cease to be ours for the next generation tomorrow, if we do not act today !
Absolutely and without question... a unified voice will get the ball in our court, the trick then is to leverage the system, with the future generations who have a right to access traditionally. If we cannot make a stand as a nation of believers in our sovereignty, then I fear the worst.
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Re: no more airboats in ENP?

Post by lilly-Pad » Sun Sep 06, 2015 10:27 pm

count me in for the fight, hopefully something can be done. I also agree that legal action is probably most effective course of action. We need to show a united front, come up with a plan and put it into place. I have spoken to fellow sportsmen and neighbors. Everyone has been real sympathetic to the cause, hopefully we could come up with a plan and start to fight back :proud:
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Re: no more airboats in ENP?

Post by john1edwards » Mon Sep 07, 2015 6:01 pm

:( Sorry to hear this. I know the guys in the club have been fighting it for years.
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Re: no more airboats in ENP?

Post by jopete » Mon Sep 07, 2015 6:04 pm

sounds like it's getting late in the game.

find out exactly who is the national park head guy, then go whip him everyday within a inch of his life and make sure he knows it won't stop until they let airboaters run free.

other than that, i don't see anything changing.

of course, when the commies elected Obama, anybody with a brain could see this and worse things comming.

Good luck with the good fight!!!!

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Re: no more airboats in ENP?

Post by FP1201 » Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:13 pm

Deano wrote:Absolutely Uf-Nucking Believable :banghead:

I've long suspected that the terrorists knew what they were doing when they sent that last plane into the Pentagon instead of the Capitol Building. Had they done the later and taken out a Session of Congress, they would have been doing us a favor since the brainiacs on the hill will never impose term limits on themselves. :x

Do you think it was coincidence? Or did they deliberately leave Congress intact as they saw how it's antics continue to undermine our Great Country it spite of the sheeple seeming to have no clue? :violent1:
So long as the sheep can graze at the government trough while being mesmerized by Dancing with the Stars or Football, they will continue to line their pockets while legislating for their biggest donors. You can't tell me there wasn't an alteror motive and/or someone's financial gain to be had for this.
Eric Kimmel is right: everything is eventually going to be highly regulated or illegal. :x
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Re: no more airboats in ENP?

Post by aherr520 » Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:54 pm

from what I read you can get a permit if you have been using the area since 1989 but how do you prove that? I have riding, fishing, and camping out there all my life. Our camp is still there but not used but I would'nt know how to prove that because my father passed away this year and any paper work he had is gone
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Re: no more airboats in ENP?

Post by Swamper3121 » Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:22 pm

Why not schedule several freedom rides each year in ENP. If several hundred boats show up they have no chance of controlling the situation. If you want to ride Flamingo ride it. A few years ago we wanted to explore the saltwater side of ENP from Long Key to Flamingo by jet ski which are also banned in ENP. The look on the rangers faces when we pulled up to the dock at Flamingo was priceless. He said with wild eyes "do you know where you are" We said " Yep this is Flamingo and we are here for fuel". He did not know what to do first hug a tree or crap kale flakes. They could not do a thing to us because maritime law allows you to go anywhere you need to to get fuel or take shelter. No matter how many laws the government passes to restrict the people there is another one that creates a loophole. Besides clearly they need a reminder that not only do the people have the power but also strongly out number them. If we continue to only push back with small numbers they write us off. People need to get together on this if they really want to prevent the airboat ban. Even the commercial operators need to wake up because they are safe right now but once the park starts operating its own airboat tours their permits will expire and so will their businesses.
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Re: no more airboats in ENP?

Post by Hardtail » Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:22 pm

I had a great ride in the ENP this last weekend, my first time riding in the Park, really unbelievable that other new airboaters will be deprived of this from now on, except for park service
and I heard scientists will have access as well, guess the taxpayers gets the short end again, those on the taxpayer payroll have the whole place for themselves, how selfish of them
is that, just does not seem fair, but nobody ever promised us things would be Fair, it is a cruel world, our freedom is not free, we can only comply with the LAWS, or be a LAW Breaker,
or a LAW Changer so as not to be a breaker, it all comes at a great price, FREEDOM, our Freedom is slowly being taken away, every politician gets another bright idea, only for some
personal gain and a loss to everyone else... we are a small group in the grand scheme of things so we can't possibly make a change,our nation is just too big and strong for the small helpless
group that we are, "WE THE PEOPLE" are only the SHEEP being taken over by the WOLF, "The big bad Wolf" has won by a stroke of a pen by those that have never ever seen the ENP.
Just a guess but it is my prediction that all parks will eventually be closed for future generations to enjoy,,, they will only see pictures and videos so they can't disturb our National Parks.

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Re: no more airboats in ENP?

Post by Hardtail » Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:50 pm

Anyone know the History behind the buildings (camps) that are located in the NPS which is being blocked off (closed) soon ? This should be a great story of the Heritage and History that should be told before the Park Service destroys it, This History is as much History as the Heads themselves. Would be good to get pictures before we can no longer get there,,,ever

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Re: no more airboats in ENP?

Post by Gary S » Thu Sep 17, 2015 7:41 am

The oldest one is the Duck Club. It was built by a group of rich people. Not sure when. When I was a kid there was a care taker named Tom Lang that lived out there and took care of it.At that time there was a generator in it which was unheard of when it was built.
We pulled up one day and the whole camp was and island was white. The water was getting low so Tom decided to blow a entrance into the camp by using fertilizer and diesel fuel. He got his entrance but even he admitted he might have used a little too much. Leon Pederson back at the air boat club said iit shook the ground at the club. I can't remember if that is the entrance that is being used today or if it was the one that is grown over east of the generator shack.
The first island south of the club with no camp on it was Pop Causey's camp. My dad built the camp for him and we would use it when we wanted too. Anytime my mom would take my brother and I out of town without my dad, he would stay out there and go to work from there.

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Re: no more airboats in ENP?

Post by Hardtail » Thu Sep 17, 2015 11:28 am

aherr520 wrote:from what I read you can get a permit if you have been using the area since 1989 but how do you prove that? I have riding, fishing, and camping out there all my life. Our camp is still there but not used but I would'nt know how to prove that because my father passed away this year and any paper work he had is gone

Can you describe which head that would be, like near "LOST CHARLIE" or near "DUCK CAMP"

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