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no more airboats in ENP?

Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:59 pm
by lilly-Pad
This sounds like bad news so no more riding behind the AAOF?
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/e ... 09696.html

Re: no more airboats in ENP?

Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 10:11 pm
by lilly-Pad
ok link should be working now

Re: no more airboats in ENP?

Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 10:32 pm
by Bruce
boy what a screw job.... dang with the locals lets draw in new people and piss on the regulars smh

Re: no more airboats in ENP?

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 7:24 am
by mojoe
B.S!

Re: no more airboats in ENP?

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 7:29 am
by lilly-Pad
probably oo late to try and fight it :dontknow: , but loosing acces to one of my favorite places to ride :violent1: :slap:

Re: no more airboats in ENP?

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 8:11 am
by Eric Kimmel
Congress would have to write a new law
While trying to work on trails i also spoke with Dan Kimbal from ENP about using airboats in areas they were so concerned with tearing up the grassbeds and rutiing the bottom with outboards so i asked that airboats be allowed instead of all the no motor zones he said it was a law written by congress that banned airboat use in ENP

also ENP has all but annexexed South of the Loop basically soince 2001 when they restricted airboats to designated trails than managed the bird cage area as though it was allready designated critical habitat for the CSSP. Big Cypress continues to manage the area as critical habitat even though USFWS removed that area for consideration due to survey finding showing its not really CSSP habitat the nesing sites never expanded and continued to decline eve though the agencies tried to artificially keep the area dried down which also adversly impacted the natural hydrology to the north. but that is what happens when agencies get too much control and impelment single species mangagemnet and use our lands as their own private laborratories

Adding more insult Big Cypress has now included the bird cage suitable falong with large portions of the Preserve for wilderness so our access wil not ever be re-established . Big Ypress will allow i think there are still 3 property owners access in the bird cage area. To me using this BS wilderness designations Big Cypress has simpley abandoned the purpose of the Preserve and has created a defacto national park
South Florida was always the best place in the world to me but now everything we lived for is gone, regulated to death or illegal

Re: no more airboats in ENP?

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 8:53 am
by glades cat
Unspoken.

Re: no more airboats in ENP?

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 8:59 am
by digginfool
What does this mean for the club? Are they going to lose their land through eminent domain? I assume the rides down there are officially over.

Re: no more airboats in ENP?

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 9:10 am
by Deano
Absolutely Uf-Nucking Believable :banghead:

I've long suspected that the terrorists knew what they were doing when they sent that last plane into the Pentagon instead of the Capitol Building. Had they done the later and taken out a Session of Congress, they would have been doing us a favor since the brainiacs on the hill will never impose term limits on themselves. :x

Do you think it was coincidence? Or did they deliberately leave Congress intact as they saw how it's antics continue to undermine our Great Country it spite of the sheeple seeming to have no clue? :violent1:

Re: no more airboats in ENP?

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 11:39 am
by Gary S
Another director getting his little piece of glory at the entire nations expense. I would rather give a piece of property to a WalMart developer than to give one inch to Everglades National Park. The thing thst sealed the deal was the concessions. You can not convince me that the amount of money being made south of highway 41 has no bearings on this. This is how they are going to pay for increased law enforcement.


“What we were calling for is a quieter, gentler Everglades National Park,” said Matthew Schwartz, director of the South Florida Wildlands Association. By allowing even commercial airboats, he complained the park “opens up the door to status quo"

The other problem is idiots like this that only want people to experience the everglades from a non motorized platform or by walking down a board walk. He is probably on of the bike path guys.
Don't think there is much that can be done but if someone has a productive idea post it.

Re: no more airboats in ENP?

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 12:04 pm
by John Fenner
Every airboat owner needs to line up on 41 blocking it in protest, but which is a great idea will likely never happen due to lack of participation, I'm resurrecting my late fathers 1984 airboat that I learned to drive in east everglades.

Re: no more airboats in ENP?

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 12:46 pm
by glades cat
Hey John, I'll stand right next to you, shoulder to shoulder. I have but one other cause that is worth my time right now, so you call the time and place and I'll be there.
If there was a way to play their own game and file an injunction and hold this up in court for another 20 years, like they did at Bear Island against ORV's, we might buy some time to gain some ground.

Re: no more airboats in ENP?

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 1:10 pm
by Eric Kimmel
injunction yea its been done to us enough times. and use the time to get our dystfunctional congress to change the law banning airboats in ENP. Come to think of it i never saw the statute just took superintendnet' Kimballs word for it when i was trying to get airboats allowed in Flamingo

Re: no more airboats in ENP?

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:31 pm
by dan-o
Wow. Unbelievable. Equally disturbing is there's only 568 views and only 12 replies. This should scare everybody. I've been airboating a long time and never been in ENP. Guess I better hurry. What can we do now?

Re: no more airboats in ENP?

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 7:06 pm
by glades cat
You can come to the AAOF Fish Fry on Sat Sept 12. We'll have one heck of a Poker Run, ride the heck out of the ENP and come back and have a feast and listen to the Hialeah Hillbillies.

Re: no more airboats in ENP?

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:51 am
by lilly-Pad
I think the airboat community needs to pay attention to this, not only a South Florida problem. Loosing access by individuals to the park takes from us all. count me in for blocking 41 and I will be sure to drag out with me any of my Homestead neighbors that I can as well. Filing an injunction sounds like a great idea (but I am certainly not an attorney lol). Maybe we could organize a ride out in the park here on SA so that other folks can see just what is being taken from us all. Count me in for any and all actions that might put a halt to this plan. If it takes an act of congress then it's time to call our congress men and women with our thoughts :florida: :proud:

For now it looks like the fish fry/poker run might be the last time some folks get to ride out in ENP. It was already going to be a great outing but now seems like it could be one of the last :banghead: :violent1:

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Re: no more airboats in ENP?

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 9:47 am
by Eric Kimmel
Another note on this stuff it also relates to one section of the ROGG plan River of Grass greenway calls for the closing of all the airboat vendors in favor of just one location for a vender. so instead of 3 or 4 opportunities for visitors to choose from that want to experience an airboat ride and see a little bit of the glades there will be only one choice further down the road. No matter what ENP promises the existing venders you can bet down the road it will be an NPS union Concessionaire taking over providing a homogenized Disneyland like experience with whatever interpretation the NPS supports vs the independently run long time concessions. each free to say describe and present their customers various viewpoints about ENP. No free thoughts much less access.

Hopefully some folks will go to the Fish Fry or jump in on this post and give us some ideas how to fight this. So far legally according to old conversations I had with ENP it would take a new law written by Congress to amend what is written now. I don't have the smarts much less the money or political contacts to know how to do this

Re: no more airboats in ENP?

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 2:20 pm
by lilly-Pad
I would be interested in knowing what if any success other clubs or airboaters have had in dealing with the NPS

Re: no more airboats in ENP?

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 3:06 pm
by SPIKE
The fish fry date and place needs to be advertised so people out of the area can partisipate. :stirpot:

Re: no more airboats in ENP?

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 4:29 pm
by Davie GSO480

Re: no more airboats in ENP?

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 4:41 pm
by fishonhenson
I would suggest someone contact:
http://americansforprosperity.org/florida/

this is a cause they would take up.

Re: no more airboats in ENP?

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:18 pm
by Hambone79
I am moving to south Florida in October unfortunately working the weekend of the fish fry but can and will attend anything to help keep places to ride . I have never ran a boat in the glades and would love to and show my kids before it gone or closed off.

Re: no more airboats in ENP?

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:39 pm
by Hardtail
Well,,, you know even YellowStone has access to it's interior, trails throughout, Snowmobiles too, so this blocking the airboats in the Everglades National Park is some connection we don't know, some how it jumped into law without the public even knowing what is going on, this is a surprise to us, unless I missed something, seem the Airboat Association would have known something, this must have been the best kept secret in recent history. We the People are no longer in control. The Government is all about CONTROL. and being in control Of The People. Our Constitutional Rights are violated here and left unchecked it will continue until no freedom exists. SO lets all sell our airboats while they have some value or lets put up a fight. It is all or soon to be nothing!!!!!!!!!

Re: no more airboats in ENP?

Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 6:49 am
by Eric Kimmel
Congress passed a law about airboats in the original ENP don't know what year airboats were first outlawed

When the east everglades was added to ENP that's when ENP was said or made a rule saying those operating then could until they passed on. I have asked the previous ENP superintendent about it and he said it would take a law by congress to override existing law. That is as far as I got on that I was working on getting our trails back in the Stairsteps and that was a ful time project that has been shut down until the NPS finishes implementing the studies and adding more wilderness which is another huge push to finish changing the Preserve into a defacto park instead of a preserve I don't have a clue what to do next

Re: no more airboats in ENP?

Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 9:04 am
by dan-o
lilly-Pad wrote:I would be interested in knowing what if any success other clubs or airboaters have had in dealing with the NPS

Good luck, pretty standard stuff for the NPS. They kicked 'em out of the Lake Woodruff NWR in the sixties. Scares the ducks.