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Archery hunting woos

Postby dshaw94 » Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:14 pm

I was hoping to get some feed back from some of the more experienced archery guys out there.

Pertinent facts:
-I shot two pigs this weekend both in the 60 to 80 pound range with a three blade, 100 grain, rage; flying about 320 fps.
-The first was between 17 and 20 yards the second 12-15
-Both were quartering slightly toward
-Both had complete pass throughs and best I could tell I hit where I was aiming.
-Both let out a quick squeal and ran off hurt but not extremely laboring
-On the first pig I found no blood trail and no pig
-On the second I found a decent blood trail and trailed it around one hundred yards, and 40 minutes after I shot it I found it, very much alive, bayed up under a root ball. Before I could put another arrow in it, it ran out and I could see a huge hematoma, the size of a cows utter, near its left shoulder, which was the exit wound side. Apparently when it laid down it plug the wound channel with dirt and was bleeding but holding it in with skin as I found no further blood.

Question is what am I doing wrong?
- My broad heads are 3 years old, never been used or touched anything, do they get dull just from sitting over time?
- Is it possible that my rage's are not opening, has anyone heard of this?
- Are hogs just that dang hard to kill with a bow?

Btw, I was aiming at the seem of the shoulder half way between the back and brisket, and from what I now understand to be a little high and far back for the perfect shot on a hog.

Any insight would be greatly appreciated, Thanks
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Re: Archery hunting woos

Postby Stickflinger » Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:40 pm

Shooting a bow with that much power u could get away with shooting them in the shoulder but I wouldnt do it with an expandable broadhead. Anything that can happen will happen expandables will fail one day and it may be on a buck of a life time and not a hog.

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Re: Archery hunting woos

Postby ccamp » Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:46 pm

I was a guide for 5 years seen hundreds of hogs killed with a bow maybe 10 killed with 1 arrow shoulder shots. They are a tough critter. Neck shots work good. Best ones I saw were bayed hogs facing the shooter with heads down so the forehead is flat, so the arrow wouldn't glance. Catch him just north of betwix his eyes. He'll look like an ugly ass unicorn but he won't move.

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Postby SWAMPHUNTER45 » Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:56 pm

I pick and choose my shots carefully. Usually we try to double lung them or take the heart. I don't shoot at a walking animal. On my bow the broadhead is a 100 grain (4 blade) Muzzy because a 4 blade creates a larger wound channel than a 3 blade. The 4 makes a big difference. My cousin shoots a 125 (4 blade) Muzzy and they really bring penetration. Almost every hog I have ever shot drops inside of 50 yards. Even had a few run in a half circle and drop right near where they were arrowed! Those are the days that you make it back to camp on time for supper...lol

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Re: Archery hunting woos

Postby Bassmastabruce » Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:51 pm

As far as I'm concerned, the only way to shoot pigs is in the head. Be that with a 30-06, a 22 magnum, or a bow. With a head shot there is no damage to the meat, no blood trails to follow and loose, and the animal is dead instantly where it stood. I like to pass on a broadside lung shot and instead aim for the area between the eye and ear. The arrow will make a nice crack as it penetrates the skull and the hog will crumple in its tracks. Just as a note, I like to use old arrows and a trimmed fixed blade broadhead to do this since that will most likely be the last time you use that arrow... Happy hunting!
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Re: Archery hunting woos

Postby lariat » Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:50 pm

LOW and FORWARD. Since I have started doing this, I very seldom have to trail them. Use the elbow for a reference. If you hit within an inch or so of the elbow, you should have no problem finding your hog. Their vitals are lower and more forward than most other animals we hunt.
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Re: Archery hunting woos

Postby terrible ted » Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:57 pm

ok i sent many a hog running like Steve martin wild and crazy guy. I have also killed 250 lbs with some perfect double lung shoots. I found my best bow shoots for kills have been from the ground. I have also taken the what i refer to as the California shoot with success. Now it was only a 40-50 lb hog, head in a hole tail up I am behind it at 5 yards. It went thru and out the neck. It squealed like well you know.

The best thing i can say is literally do not track until an hour has passed. I have killed hogs in almost every way but by strangulation. Well not a fresh one anyways.

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Postby Afflicted » Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:06 pm

Ditch the rages..

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Re: Archery hunting woos

Postby Hog Guts » Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:43 pm

Lariat gave you the best intel IMO

Try to break their legs 1/4 up body from bottom. They will leak good and due fast your broadhead won't matter you could kill em with a judo point I've seen it. Obviously larger the cut the better so long as you get a pass through. Grab a pack of exodus broadheads. I can use any head I want at no cost. I have rage, grim reaper, killzone etc. I choose exodus they are the toughest and sharpest broadhead I have ever used. That's what's on the end of my arrows right now. But to answer your question you shot them too far back and or high. Pigs are fast they can move 6 or more inches before your arrow hits them I video every shot I take which is about 4 a week on average. I do take head shots if given the right opportunity - especially if I'm near swamp / water because you won't track through that but if you want to be sure to kill it straight through the front legs low no matter which way it's standing. I'm also not sure what rig you have but 320 fps is fast for a hunting rig even with a new bow and 70lb draw. I use Hoyt CE at 65 and it's not close to that (yeah I hear it now if it were a Mathews it would be so much faster and magical). Did you chrony it? Not that it matters... For what your hunting 250fps would do just fine. Good luck and don't take any shot you don't feel is perfect to start with.... Leaves room for other variables.

Now time for bed I have a date with a deer at 6:53am :) Exodus in hand.


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Re: Archery hunting woos

Postby Hog Guts » Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:50 pm

Oh yeah, while I'm preaching... Pull your bow back at a target, if you can't hold it for over a minute or two max then shoot then your hurting yourself with to much draw weight. Jmo again not worth much these days :). I spend more time in treestands than most people you know all year long. I've killed a hog or two. A week. Every week. All year. They are tough some you won't find no matter where you shoot them just keep doing it and wait for the perfect shot.



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Postby Hog Guts » Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:52 pm

I just love bow hunting I use it all year :). It ranks right up there with my air boat lol


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Postby fl cracker » Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:54 pm

I have a Mathews switchback and Its pretty damn slow compared to todays standards. I shot a few hogs with it at 20-30 yards which I thought were good shots. They all ran 60 to 80 yards before expiring.
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Postby AntiqueFarmEquipment » Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:03 pm

terrible ted wrote:ok i sent many a hog running like Steve martin wild and crazy guy. I have also killed 250 lbs with some perfect double lung shoots. I found my best bow shoots for kills have been from the ground. I have also taken the what i refer to as the California shoot with success. Now it was only a 40-50 lb hog, head in a hole tail up I am behind it at 5 yards. It went thru and out the neck. It squealed like well you know.

The best thing i can say is literally do not track until an hour has passed. I have killed hogs in almost every way but by strangulation. Well not a fresh one anyways.


You mean a Texas Heart Shot? :)

Like was said early four blade and give that sucker atleast 30 minutes to an hour to die or else you risk pushing him if he's still alive and losing him.

Ohhhhh yeah and practice practice practice.

Also might want to recommend if you are shooting out of a stand that is fairly high up so your arrow is traveling at a large angle toward the animal you may need to aim high. Think of it if you are shooting it from the ground and shoot at the lungs it will go straight through the animal if you are up in a stand and shoot at the same spot it is going to go under the lungs most likely and out the belly. Best of luck on the next one!
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Re: Archery hunting woos

Postby dshaw94 » Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:05 pm

Thanks for the responses guys, I'm thinking it's a comedy of errors. Not the least of which is me. Hog guts I didn't chronograph it but it's a drenalin 29" draw at 70 lbs with light arrows, I believe it's rated at 322, so I figured 320 was close. Both hogs just acted like i shot them with a field point, not that I would know what that would do. And having two pigs and almost the identical response to being hit, I thought maybe it was something others had come across.

Thanks again for the input.
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Re: Archery hunting woos

Postby SWAMPHUNTER45 » Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:19 pm

I have the same bow and shoot 100gr full helical @ 295fps

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Re: Archery hunting woos

Postby Striker543 » Tue Sep 16, 2014 12:25 am

If you're making good shots (right behind the shoulder blade), I would give it more time before tracking them. It's tough waiting, but my experience has been you're best off giving them an hour after you've shot. Any less and you just get their adrenaline pumping, and once that's going, you may or may not be able to find it.

As far as the blood goes, sometimes they just don't seem to leave a trail. I've shot one from 10 yards with a 44 magnum through the shoulders, seen the bullet hit and the pig fall over, and never found the pig or a drop of blood.

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Re: Archery hunting woos

Postby stroked470 » Tue Sep 16, 2014 8:19 am

This is why I am not a stick and string hunter....my ought 6 or 300 puts their dick in the dirt.

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Postby PM » Tue Sep 16, 2014 8:28 am

I have killed several hundred with sticks and strings. Forget the mechanicals and go to a 3 or 4 blade fixed. I went to shooting them broadside 1/3 of the way up the shoulder straight up from the front leg. Rarely do they make it 50 yards. You cannot shoot hogs like a deer. Their vitals are low and forward. I went through that early on and lost a ton. I have watched 300-400 pound hogs shot nthat way and not go 10 yards
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Re: Archery hunting woos

Postby Hambone79 » Tue Sep 16, 2014 8:28 am

when i hog hunt i always use my old arrows and always use a fixed blade broadhead. that being said i have been shooting the ram cats the last 2 years and have so far been a great broadhead.

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Re: Archery hunting woos

Postby Hog Guts » Tue Sep 16, 2014 12:04 pm

PM is right on.... Listen it's good advice


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Re: Archery hunting woos

Postby terrible ted » Tue Sep 16, 2014 12:55 pm

Hog Guts wrote:Lariat gave you the best intel IMO

Try to break their legs 1/4 up body from bottom. They will leak good and due fast your broadhead won't matter you could kill em with a judo point I've seen it. Obviously larger the cut the better so long as you get a pass through. Grab a pack of exodus broadheads. I can use any head I want at no cost. I have rage, grim reaper, killzone etc. I choose exodus they are the toughest and sharpest broadhead I have ever used. That's what's on the end of my arrows right now. But to answer your question you shot them too far back and or high. Pigs are fast they can move 6 or more inches before your arrow hits them I video every shot I take which is about 4 a week on average. I do take head shots if given the right opportunity - especially if I'm near swamp / water because you won't track through that but if you want to be sure to kill it straight through the front legs low no matter which way it's standing. I'm also not sure what rig you have but 320 fps is fast for a hunting rig even with a new bow and 70lb draw. I use Hoyt CE at 65 and it's not close to that (yeah I hear it now if it were a Mathews it would be so much faster and magical). Did you chrony it? Not that it matters... For what your hunting 250fps would do just fine. Good luck and don't take any shot you don't feel is perfect to start with.... Leaves room for other variables.

Now time for bed I have a date with a deer at 6:53am :) Exodus in hand.


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Even with broken legs or missing leg can they go far. Just look at this way if you dont shoot you dont have a chance. Try not to spook them after. Oh if you find one with 3 arrows in it one thru the side one in the top of the back and one in the ass it had a really bad day and i never found it in the swamp.

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Re: Archery hunting woos

Postby terrible ted » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:11 pm

AntiqueFarmEquipment wrote:
terrible ted wrote:ok i sent many a hog running like Steve martin wild and crazy guy. I have also killed 250 lbs with some perfect double lung shoots. I found my best bow shoots for kills have been from the ground. I have also taken the what i refer to as the California shoot with success. Now it was only a 40-50 lb hog, head in a hole tail up I am behind it at 5 yards. It went thru and out the neck. It squealed like well you know.

The best thing i can say is literally do not track until an hour has passed. I have killed hogs in almost every way but by strangulation. Well not a fresh one anyways.


You mean a Texas Heart Shot? :)

Like was said early four blade and give that sucker atleast 30 minutes to an hour to die or else you risk pushing him if he's still alive and losing him.

Ohhhhh yeah and practice practice practice.

Also might want to recommend if you are shooting out of a stand that is fairly high up so your arrow is traveling at a large angle toward the animal you may need to aim high. Think of it if you are shooting it from the ground and shoot at the lungs it will go straight through the animal if you are up in a stand and shoot at the same spot it is going to go under the lungs most likely and out the belly. Best of luck on the next one!



No the Texas is from the front.

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Re: Archery hunting woos

Postby gobblerD » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:24 pm

PM,

Are you saying follow the front leg straight up to the shoulder then 1/3rd up is the mark you shoot for? Between the shoulder and the spine. I want to try this.

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Re: Archery hunting woos

Postby Hog Guts » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:34 pm

My shoot them in the leg comment wasn't to literally have to break their leg, it was to emphasize how far forward their vitals are. Almost all bad shots in hogs are because people shoot them like other animals they were taught to shoot behind shoulder like deer etc. the hogs heart lies damn near right between his front legs and it's a place you can stick a shaft through unlike what you may hit 6-10 inches above that. It's just advice take it for what it's worth. Everyone has their way of doing things but when someone asks I try to give them the best info I use myself. Good luck keep shooting them till you figure out what works good for you. I know what works for me :)


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Postby Sniper » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:54 pm

you should stop slinging them stick's and sling some lead :lol:
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