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Curiosity is killing the cat

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Any of you folks remember one of the small car manufacturers having an in line 4 cylinder air cooled engine back maybe in the 70-80s? May still have it for all I know. I'm drawing a blank but thinking it may have been Audi, Subaru, Saab or one like them.
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I think the Porsche engine where air cooled back in the 70 and early 80s they did there first water cooled but I don't think the air cooled where inline 4's

not even chevys corvair engine where inline best I remember
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I think the Porsche and VWs were opposed 4 and 6 engines. It just flashed to me I "MAY" be thinking of a car called NSU whomever that was/is.
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Maybe the corvair

Or Deutz
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I do not remember one. At that time air-cooled engines were going away because of SMOG laws, too high exhaust temps. when meeting SMOG standerds.
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Bear, NSU might be the place to look. I seem to remember that they had several engines that were aircooled. There was also a small Swedish company named DKV that had a small aircooled sedan ...... it was unique because it had a variable ratio belt drive. I first thought of Fiat, but I'm pretty sure even their little Topolino was watercooled.

There have been several aircooled auto engines over the years, beginning with the very first one. The American made Tucker and Cord were both aircooled, as was the Pierce. Aircooled, there are a bunch, but few inline fours.

The Henderson motorcycle had an aircooled inline four, as did the Ace. Could that be what you were thinking about?
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DOUBLE H wrote:Maybe the corvair
no I think all the corvairs where opposed (side to side) not inline



I can't think of anything else that mite have had a inline aircooled four cylinder ................ whitebear you could build one never know they mite catch on :D
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Olef Art it may be the NSU. I can just barely remember being surprised when I found out it was air cooled at a guys shop when I was MUCH younger.

I'm not sure that very long in line 6s would do well in an airboat. The water pumpers do well but air cooled might get the center cylinders a bit hot. A 4 might do ok if the compression isn't pumped up too high.

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Sure did then Ranger came out with their inverted inline 6, 150? and 200 HP. My dad's friend had one in a Fairchild PT26. Thing always ran good but the damned plane had to be inspected every month for rot in the wing spar center section. Think some of these engines made it into the Fairchild24 as well. Since the first F24 I ever saw and rode in was the F24R, I always thought they looked stupid with the in line 6 in them. Grinn
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http://mysite.verizon.net/redbat01/rear ... page6.html

From the linked website: "The first four-cylinder model, known as the NSU 1000, was introduced at the Frankfurt auto show in September 1963. Later offspring included the 1000, 1000 TT, 1000 TTS, 1200C and 1200/110. The last four-cylinder NSU came off the production line in 1972."
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Thanks Airduds ! I think THAT is what I was thinking of!


Ah HA! Something new! Air cooled to 200 HP & light weight too !
http://www.directindustry.com/prod/deut ... 03746.html
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probably more expensive than a AC motor

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I have the three cyl. version....
Just cant seem to get the time to play with it... LOL

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Let us know when you do. :)
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Yes I have seen these on equitment like trinchers forklifts and a few other things.
There were a lot of these diesels used in equitment.

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Deutz engines were in a lot of aircompressors and other equipment. Also put in bay shrimp boats.
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RB, I remember seeing Duetz trucks on the Autobahn in Germany back in the mid-60's ..... you could always spot one because they had a big cooling fan in the grill where the radiator was supposed to be.

The smallest diesel I've ever seen was a little (French made I think) engine on a trash pump (water pump) sitting on a curb at a construction site in Saigon, VN. The thing was tiny. Couldn't have been more than a couple of horsepower, and there it was .... sittin' in the mud, water, and muck singin' it's heart out. I've often wished that I had one bolted to the end of a workbench so that I could just fire it up once in a while and listen to it run. :)
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Bear,,, My best friend has several of those big diesel air-cooled Deutz motors on irrigation pumps,,, They run 24/7 during the growing seasons,,, He told me once that they were the most dependable motors on the farm,,, One of those small 200 horse air cooled motors would be a trick on the back of an AB,,, High torgue/Low RPMs,,, :drunken: :rebel: :old_glory:
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The Cord ..part of the Auburn Cord Duesenberg Corp. that shutdown in 1937...the Cord did have a Lycoming engine..but was a
water cooled engine...the L-29 was an inline 8...the 810/812 were V.8's..all cords were front wheel drive.

the only aircooled engine was made by a car company named Franklin....until corvair came into production.

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Whitebear wrote:Thanks Airduds ! I think THAT is what I was thinking of!

Not new by any means, I learn about them... I don't remember and well over 200 HP I'm sure. and I'm not sure how much lighter.. No air cooled left at work however Oil cooled and water. Water cooled has radiator in side of engine and intercooler on the front.?


Ah HA! Something new! Air cooled to 200 HP & light weight too !
http://www.directindustry.com/prod/deut ... 03746.html
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You'll also find them in Duetz (ugly green) farm tractors and are they are common in the full track snow plows you find on the ski slopes ... Deutz also produced a V12 for the German Tiger tank
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Olf Art wrote:RB, I remember seeing Duetz trucks on the Autobahn in Germany back in the mid-60's ..... you could always spot one because they had a big cooling fan in the grill where the radiator was supposed to be.

The smallest diesel I've ever seen was a little (French made I think) engine on a trash pump (water pump) sitting on a curb at a construction site in Saigon, VN. The thing was tiny. Couldn't have been more than a couple of horsepower, and there it was .... sittin' in the mud, water, and muck singin' it's heart out. I've often wished that I had one bolted to the end of a workbench so that I could just fire it up once in a while and listen to it run. :)
I have a one cylinder air cooled diesel like the one you seen. It is the smallest diesel I've seen. It has not been ran in years but I'm sure with a little TLC it would again. It cant be any more than maybe 5 horse power. If that much.

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Poobought, I'd love to see a picture of it if you can .... where was it made? Any manufacturer's plates on it anywhere?
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I included my quote with my post.
Not new by any means, I learn about them... I don't remember and well over 200 HP I'm sure. and I'm not sure how much lighter.. No air cooled left at work however Oil cooled and water. Water cooled has radiator ON side of engine and intercooler on the front.?

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poobought wrote: I have a one cylinder air cooled diesel like the one you seen. It is the smallest diesel I've seen. It has not been ran in years but I'm sure with a little TLC it would again. It cant be any more than maybe 5 horse power. If that much.
we have Lister stuff at work (english), first ones pretty tough to start at 60 degrees never mind -40 with a rope. Electric start at least they start. Probably close to 100 lbs for 5 hp.

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Big Casino wrote:You'll also find them in Duetz (ugly green) farm tractors and are they are common in the full track snow plows you find on the ski slopes ... Deutz also produced a V12 for the German Tiger tank
First time I saw one was 1980 buddy replacing a flat 12 Detroit with a Deutz flat 12.

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