Hamant/Waterthunder Mini boat

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Considering some of the posts on the Board, Im not surprised to see someone checking to see if we moderate anything anymore. Just my take on it. I am watching closely though. BTW he asked a question. I havent seen an answer yet.

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Thanks, Chuck
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Yup yer right Mood, strait up answer. See no problem there. But now that its been asked about him, I am curious myself. I'll be watching a bit closer.

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What has happened here. OK now I understand. Well I will call it a midget unless Doug likes something else better. He might want to throw a Koller or a mower motor on it in order to fit into the mini class, I don't know yet. I could care less what it's called or what class it's placed under. All I care about is how fuel efficient it is, how it performs and how much it costs. Two things are for sure I’m gonna have fun doing something differant and this boat will perform!
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I can see both sides of this. I like the term Midget. I think it would be a great idea to start a new class. It would be the fair thing to do for the shows. The hulls would be approximately the same size just with more power. So it is not really an apples to apples comparison. That being said, I think it would be cool to build the first boat in a new class. someone will always be pushing the envelope to try and make things more efficient. I think there will be a market for both boats, mini and midget. All involved here are stright up folks in the airboat industry.

As papee said earlier in this thread. People have been putting small motors on boats for a long time now. That kind of boat has been meeting peoples needs for years. Go where you can't get with an outboard. And burn hardly any fuel doing it. Not everyone needs to be able to run dry with two guys and a cooler. With todays economy, I think the time is right for an airboat that fills the niche that falls in between a true mini and the big custom boats.

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If you look up the meaning of mini, it states anything smaller than normal. I think that would cover a lot of boats being disciminated against for a so called mini forum. So no offence intended but sounds like some people want a class for lawn mowers and weed eaters boats only. Its funny but every time somebody looks at my boat they always reffer to it as a mini airboat. I think this forum should be for any airboat with a smaller than normal powerplant, or hull size. Or I think we might need do a, not for winers smaller than normal airboat forum. Next thing you know somebody will complain and we will have to have for blue boats or green boats only forum, or maybe for front or rear steer forums. :dontknow:
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I think the mini is a great idea, but again another thread off track :( , the forum is Airboats with smaller powerplants So the question has been answered already. Show class is another story, whoever is putting up the show can make the call. Hats off to all the builders Custom, Mini, Oem, homebuilt ever time one of you guys put your money into R&D it is good for all airboaters. That was the original post great idea and hope it brings more airboaters to the SA family. :mrgreen:
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i allways called mine my little boat, guess i should have started a little boat forum :mrgreen: dave i think its a great idea, i love small boats there fun as heck an if there sippin gas thats all the better, but its got to hunt man, performance is important when i spend my coin

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My wife's says "I have a Mini" is she talking about airboats??

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My wife just read all the post here and started laughing. She said that I have had a lot of holes in the water in which to throw $$$$$ into and this one is a mini compared to all the other ones. :thumbup: LoL LoL
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You can build'em BIG!
You can build'em small....
But an Aircraft Engine's gonna whoop'em ALL! :twisted:

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So put them lawn mower engines back under the porch.
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I think ..... we're makin way too much out of nothing here. I don't like to see somebody like Chuck insulted, and I think the pond is big enough for a few more fish. This is a learning, growing experience for all of us, and Chuck, Paul Dixon, and a couple of others have taken the step to put their money where their mouths are and try to develop a lighter, efficient, and more economical airboat.

The early rules for what constitutes a Mini are pretty clear. Yes, they can be massaged a little with common conscent, but basically we now know.

Anything bigger than a Mini is simply a small airboat. That seems very simple to me.

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Re: Hamant/Waterthunder Mini boat

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10-4 Olf,

I think if Waterthunder's gonna call his boats a mini-Thunder, or mini-Hammant, I got no problem with it.

My Idea of what a mini is, does not agree with what the definitions are, as explained in this thread.
If I build a mini, it will be exactly want I want it to be.

If I decide to talk about it in here, I can. Just like Waterthunder can.

Main thing is about any kinda Airboats, there's no rules, and their all right.
If it makes their owner's happy.

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Right you are Cowboy. I dont see insults in this thread, what I see is a bunch of folks all on different pages, but definately in the SAME BOOK. I guess from what I see the rub seems to be trying to make a show definition fit a production definition. Or better yet a definitiobn for everyone. Remember the Old For Trimotors were designed to be the biggest baddest thing out there and what they came up with was a damned fine light aircraft. Point being they were designed to do a certain job not fit a specific regulation. Most folks airboats are quite individualistic and yet everyone is called upon to do a slightly different job. We call em all airboats and we call em ALL fun ! ANybody that makes boats today and can stay in business has my nod of approval.

I don't think anyone is bashing anyone thats making airboats, for their boat, I do see some interesting and NOT unanimously agreed on terminology. In fact at times I still call my motorcycle a scooter, go figure.

I guess there must be something to be controlled and someone wants to control it. Fine with me, if its their show, thats legit. If its everybodies show I don't think there will ever be total agreement. Having said that, some things just arent worth the effort or discontent to change, easier to live with it than change it, I guess. My boat nearly fits the mini hull size but of course it doesnt have a lawnmower engine or a snowmobile engine etc. Its still my boat and to me its bigger than a mini and smaller than a normal airboat, even with its O-360. I had referred to it as a mini when I got it but it IS outside the show rules for a mini. Now if only that was the ONLY thing about me that didn't conform I would be on top of the world.

Anyway, my hats off to anyone making a living making airboats. That aint no easy chore for sure and for certain. I take NOTHING at all away from them.

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cowboy wrote: My Idea of what a mini is, does not agree with what the definitions are, as explained in this thread.
If I build a mini, it will be exactly want I want it to be.Right on.

If I decide to talk about it in here, I can. Just like Waterthunder can.
Yep.
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From the very first post in this thread:
Waterthunder wrote:...Were not trying to build a mini airboat were trying to build a smaller airboat that performs like a standard 125HP to 160HP Lycoming at a fraction of the cost!...
That says it all.

Thunder - we all are looking forward to seeing what you've come up with!

Mini/small builders:
Airboat Pro's
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John O'Neil (cntry141iq)
Jeff Lesarra
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AWESOME!!!! The more builders there are, the better this new class (or these classes) of boats will be. No doubt about it.

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Waterthunder wrote:Well I have finished our first two mini motors one is a 4 cyl that weighs 188lbs. I hope this motor swings the same prop as a 90 Lycoming. The second motor is a 6 cyl that weighs 316lbs. Neither motor will require a gearbox! The four banger is a nasty little beast and everybody seams to like the little guy! Hamant will have the Mini Hull Finished this week. I hope to post pic’s of it soon. The 4 cyl motor is a full blown mini that we intend to perform like a standard airboat at a fraction of the cost. Both motors are Electronically Fuel Injected. The 6cyl is intended to be a standard type of airboat but cost much less then your standard new airboat. Were not trying to build a mini airboat were trying to build a smaller airboat that performs like a standard 125HP to 160HP Lycoming at a fraction of the cost! Oh yea fuel economy is a priority that is why we fuel injected all of our mini motors that and torque.
The customer is who wins the most when there is competition! The six cyl is the motor I was referring to when I said were not intending to build a mini. However the 4cyl is so tiny and light 188lbs complete I intended the four cyl to be a mini.
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A new age of airboats is upon us set forth by the price of gasoline which continues to spiral upward.

Hat’s off to the pioneers of the smaller airboats with smaller powerplants. These guys are blazing the trail developing a light, fuel efficient, and economical airboat.

Keep up the good work Waterthunder, Chuck, Paul and others.

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Gotta go along with what Papee said. The very first Airboat I ever saw had a 65hp Continental and it would run the hill!
How about the video of that 40hp Kohler running dry in a pasture with three men inside!
"Mini" is a subjective and arbitary term, so I'm going to name them "Personal Airboats". :wink:

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gas is going up , cost is going up , a whole lot of things have been way up ,and probably way BEYOND what they should have been for some time! the strong will survive and the one that cuts cost first will be the WINNER . Everyones Idea of a mini boat or just a boat .....airboat that is , they are all airboats !!!!!!!!!!!! I will say this ? if no one pays the price will it sell ? a lot of people spend crazy money on stuff that really just aint worth it ! its like Barnum Baily said THERES A SUCKER BORN EVERY MINUTE! All the boats here are probably very good product. lawn mower engine , aircraft,or carmotor all you have ask is it really worth it ? you and your wallet will really want to know! come on do you really think some of these boats are are really WORTH 20 , 30 , 40 , or 50 grand ! look at times people are losing there jobs due to cuts ,no one can really afford gas , people with payments on there house they cant afford and taxes ! come on A 13000 lawn mover airboat would be nothing that run 3 people across grass is good !? I guess you can build what ever if your willing to separate from your money BUT AN AIRBOAT MINI OR NOT IS AN AIRBOAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Here is the first Hamant/Thunder Mini/Midget hull it's 10'6''X6'6'' this hull is getting the EFI four cylinder!

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I like the direction youre going thunder using a small auto engine opens the doors to possibly picking up some reasonably priced engines from totaled cars once the platform has been developed and will keep cost down and fun up. i also see why you call that hull a mini it is really sharp we had a guy that used to ride at cypress and he had a 10 foot gore with a 65 cont. it ran real good and we all called it a mini back then but he could run all day on what my 520 burned in an hour (guess he was avisionary) no offense to chuck and his minis i think he is building an awesome boat but variety lets evryone get what they like.
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Re: Hamant/Waterthunder Mini boat

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waterthunder

When do you expect to have the 4 cycl on that hull and possibly into production?

The more i read about these mini's or whatever they are the more i want one. You guys really have something here. As a mud motor guy i have always wanted an air boat as well but would never mess with an aircraft or big gas hog engine just due to the fact that i am not real wrenchy and did not want to get into some mechanical nightmare. These smaller engines are much less intimidating and seem to do the job as the big boys.

Please any info you can offer regarding to time frames or specs would be much appreciated.

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