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how heavy is diamondbacks aluminum rigging?

Post by GIMAMMOTH » Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:17 am

has any one figured out the weight diffance between say stainless or D.O.M to the diamondback style rigging?


if you were to compare say Danes boat to this new black diamondback what would you say the weight diffance is?
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Re: how heavy is diamondbacks aluminum rigging?

Post by Olf Art » Wed Feb 08, 2012 12:26 pm

I know that stainless is lighter than aluminum because you need to use a larger dia / thickness aluminum tubing to get the same strength. The difference in weight would depend on the way the boat is rigged, but those aluminum riggins' sure are pretty.

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Re: how heavy is diamondbacks aluminum rigging?

Post by Qwikdiesel » Wed Feb 08, 2012 12:33 pm

Chromoly!
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Re: how heavy is diamondbacks aluminum rigging?

Post by GIMAMMOTH » Wed Feb 08, 2012 12:54 pm

just by theses pics what would you say the weight diffance is between the 2 is??
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Re: how heavy is diamondbacks aluminum rigging?

Post by pirate » Wed Feb 08, 2012 12:58 pm

I've never used it but you might try this link.

http://www.mesteel.com/cgi-bin/w3-msql/ ... tor_kg.htm
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Re: how heavy is diamondbacks aluminum rigging?

Post by Olf Art » Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:10 pm

Qwikdiesel wrote:Chromoly!
One of the finest builders in the business, Paul Dixon (Airboats Unlimited) once told me that in his opinion the best rigs for either freshwater or salt was Chromoly, zinc chromated and baked, and then powdercoated. It may cost a few dollars more because chromoly stock is expensive, but for strength, light weight, and long life there's nothing in the same ballpark IMO. A lot of airplanes are framed with chromoly steel.
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Re: how heavy is diamondbacks aluminum rigging?

Post by GIMAMMOTH » Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:11 pm

pirate wrote:I've never used it but you might try this link.

http://www.mesteel.com/cgi-bin/w3-msql/ ... tor_kg.htm

great link!!
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Re: how heavy is diamondbacks aluminum rigging?

Post by Rich Andrews » Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:15 pm

SOOOOOOO...I GUESS all the guys who rig salt water boats for a living and build salt water boats for a living know less then us airboat builders eeeh?

I've been on hundreds of off shore boats,and aint seen one made out of conduit,chromolly,stainless,brainless u name it..they're all Aluminum.
I've never seen one corrode either


I bet that Al riggin is lighter in the pic,but I may be wrong.
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Re: how heavy is diamondbacks aluminum rigging?

Post by GIMAMMOTH » Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:25 pm

i have a surf board for salt water lets try an keep on track with the weight diffances guys not wich on will rust lol..
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Re: how heavy is diamondbacks aluminum rigging?

Post by pirate » Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:36 pm

In case anyone is interested the following link has a decent article on the relationship between rigidity and diameter in tubing.


http://www.desperadocycles.com/The_Lowd ... gidity.pdf
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Re: how heavy is diamondbacks aluminum rigging?

Post by Qwikdiesel » Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:49 pm

It's all speculation on which is lighter. Be like posting a pic of 2 chicks and asking which one gives a better bj.

My "guess" would be the DOM rigging is lighter than the aluminum posted above. It all depends on the size and wall thickness.

How do we know that rigging is DOM?
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Re: how heavy is diamondbacks aluminum rigging?

Post by HuntingBigun » Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:50 pm

I asked Keith that same question when I built my first carmotor, we took a piece of aluminum & stainless stock and weighted it the Aluminum was the heaver due to wall thickness and diameter, we did cage and then eng stand material.

As far as the two boats you would have to ask the builder, someone may have asked for lighter or heavier than standard than what the builder would use. Bobby told me same thing Aluminumm is heavier for a standard setup but not as much as my dog weighs :D :D :D :D
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Re: how heavy is diamondbacks aluminum rigging?

Post by Southern Style » Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:02 pm

Qwikdiesel wrote:It's all speculation on which is lighter. Be like posting a pic of 2 chicks and asking which one gives a better bj.

My "guess" would be the DOM rigging is lighter than the aluminum posted above. It all depends on the size and wall thickness.

How do we know that rigging is DOM?

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Re: how heavy is diamondbacks aluminum rigging?

Post by GIMAMMOTH » Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:08 pm

Qwikdiesel wrote:It's all speculation on which is lighter. Be like posting a pic of 2 chicks and asking which one gives a better bj.

My "guess" would be the DOM rigging is lighter than the aluminum posted above. It all depends on the size and wall thickness.

How do we know that rigging is DOM?

thats ez if the pic has the girls smiling.. we all know the one with no teeth gives a better bj.

say you have a dom boat an you want to switch to diamondbacks aluminum rigging , same seat style just all aluminum is it only a slight diffance in weight like 30lbs or is it over 100lbs.. every pound count just trying to get an idea of if the look is worth the weight
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Re: how heavy is diamondbacks aluminum rigging?

Post by Sniper » Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:24 pm

When Bobby built my boat I asked him that question he said Aluminum was the heaviest then stainless and the lightest was Chromemoly so thats what I got
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Re: how heavy is diamondbacks aluminum rigging?

Post by Qwikdiesel » Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:26 pm

30 lbs would be a good guess-ta-mate. It all depends on the size of the rigging. Prob less than 30 on a small hull/riggin.
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Re: how heavy is diamondbacks aluminum rigging?

Post by GIMAMMOTH » Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:27 pm

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Re: how heavy is diamondbacks aluminum rigging?

Post by P.Vento » Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:18 pm

Diamondback ain't the only one that builds aluminum riggin? Everyone has a different style of riggin a boat, some use more material than others, depending on the style of riggin you build

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Post by BlowInIt » Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:29 pm

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Re: how heavy is diamondbacks aluminum rigging?

Post by BlowInIt » Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:35 pm

A friend of mine welds for his profession and says that the only correct way to weld thin wall Cromoly or stainless steel is with a Tig.

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Re: how heavy is diamondbacks aluminum rigging?

Post by JLH » Wed Feb 08, 2012 6:35 pm

when i ordered my rigging built i was skepical due to seeing a crashed boat with thin wall aluminum, so I had it built out of thicker wall(not sure of wall thickness). when i took it off the boat trailer at the powder coaters i was surprised it took 3 guys to lift it off. seat package is part of gaurd. way heavy. would have been better off with conduit and brazin it. there are brazed rigs still running around melbourne that were put together 20 years ago and not broke. we dont run the river or trails much as we run the grass my hope is that the aluminum rigging will hold up better. but then again it is a 7 runner boat that is very heavy but the jurnigan engine pushes it well.

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Re: how heavy is diamondbacks aluminum rigging?

Post by blown480 » Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:11 pm

gyrocopter582 wrote:Another question, does anyone know of a source for chromoly tubing,
near the East coast of Fl, or Orlando?
In the past, I have ordered from Aircraft Spruce, OUCH.
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Re: how heavy is diamondbacks aluminum rigging?

Post by fulldeck » Thu Feb 09, 2012 5:29 am

first of all there is nosuch thing as a bad bj. just some are better than others, and that is the recevers opinion. just like the rigging, what works for you is what you want whatever it's made of.

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Re: how heavy is diamondbacks aluminum rigging?

Post by air-roberts » Thu Feb 09, 2012 5:52 am

aluminum in my opinion is out of the question you have to go to thick to accomplish the same strength chromoly is to brittle for a everyday ride boat so you want something that will give a little like someone said earlier they've seen a conduit brazed rigging still out there and i believe it it moves but don';t break i like using softer material and building your strenght on bar placement. i was taught in structure school always think of angles and pyramids never strait and use each bar for more than one purpose. and yes you should weld either mig or tig but the key is never max out the amps better having more amps then turn it down.
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