They are after our ammo..Sign Petition Please (UPDATE)

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They are after our ammo..Sign Petition Please (UPDATE)

Postby AirRanger » Tue Feb 24, 2015 11:39 pm

We have been seeing and hearing that it could happen. Well now it is starting to happen. BATF is proposing to ban Green Tip 5.56 x 45 NATO M855 / SS109 . I am not partial to that ammo but the point is not if I or even you like that particular ammo but the fact that banning that is just a starting point of worse things to come. Below are a few legitimate people sharing views on this subject. There are many other videos as well that can easily be searched. Sign the petition send and e-mail all gun owners should stand together to show our disapproval about this.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petiti ... n/XrvVh1cj







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Postby Flametrain » Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:26 am

Signed! :proud:

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Postby scottyroll » Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:48 am

To hell with this government both Red and Blue :slap: . Signed :salute:
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Postby skinnypockets » Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:29 am

Done! :florida: :old_glory:
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Postby BluByU2 » Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:15 pm

Done. :thumbleft: :old_glory:

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Postby Whitebear » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:29 pm

Silly me, but what are Green Tips?
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They are after our ammo..Sign Petition Please

Postby Comanche-pup » Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:00 pm

NATO 5.56 Ball rounds
Green tips are ball
Orange tips are tracers


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Postby SWAMPHUNTER45 » Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:08 pm

Green tips aka SS109 is a 5.56 NATO round that many shooters use in their AR15 or similar sporting rifles. The problem lies in that it is a steel core penetrator round. Now that every gun company is making a pistol capable of firing it we are at risk of losing a "sporting exception" and having it banned as an armor piercing pistol ammo!

To wit: COP KILLER designation.

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Postby Comanche-pup » Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:00 pm

Sorry Swamphunter but that is incorrect if its a U.S. Round, SS109 are not U.S rounds, M193 is the U.S version and not steal core


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Postby Chickenrig » Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:30 pm

You have my supprt on this .signed and forwarded :old_glory:
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Postby SWAMPHUNTER45 » Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:47 pm

WTF really ComPup try again



SS109 / M855 is steel core AP with a painted green tip


M193 is the old 55grain lead bullet we stopped using many years ago for the battle field when twist rates changed and the soviets started upgraging body armor.

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Postby Comanche-pup » Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:16 pm

I stand corrected on M855!


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Postby Hog Guts » Wed Feb 25, 2015 11:30 pm

I have some steel core ammo like m855 but it's not painted green tip. I'm not sure why it's being picked on an all lead projectile at 130-208 grain traveling at >3000 fps is going to do more damage than a ~55 grain at similar velocities (308 / 300AAC etc). Shoot both at a steel, concrete or other target and observe results. Just curious why the m855 is being targeted as more dangerous.


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Postby Comanche-pup » Thu Feb 26, 2015 6:37 am

Its the easiest to get in bulk?? Im guessing and since it is labeled a semi penetrator round, easy target, lets face it, uncle sam is preparing for war, its slowly unarming its enemy


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Postby SWAMPHUNTER45 » Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:35 am

There are several countries that are not NATO but align with Western interests that use a clone ammo and do not paint the tips green. Specifically Sweden as an example and on occassion ammo manufactured by the Carl Gustav plant will find its way into the US retail market. The fastet way to check is with a magnet if it clings chances are it is SS109. If ou have old Norinco ammo some of it had steel in the projectiles and was loaded hot.

Right not there is a ammo panic and people are trying to find it before a ban which is driving up the price. As of yesterday several of the big on line sources had bulk green still in stock. The NRA has requested all sportsmen contact BATF and make public comment directly to BATF.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/2015022 ... e-ammo-ban

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Postby Huckster74 » Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:12 am

Done!

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Postby SWAMPHUNTER45 » Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:28 am

Follow this link it give a great bit of information on why the government is attempting the ban and has the direct contact info to place public comment into record. Gives a telephone number, email and name or the agent should you seek to write a letter.


http://www.guns.com/2015/02/16/atf-cons ... -comments/

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Postby AirRanger » Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:24 pm

SWAMPHUNTER45 wrote:Follow this link it give a great bit of information on why the government is attempting the ban and has the direct contact info to place public comment into record. Gives a telephone number, email and name or the agent should you seek to write a letter.


http://www.guns.com/2015/02/16/atf-cons ... -comments/


Thank you SWAMPHUNTER45, This is the type of support I washoping for when I started this thread.If any of you are on Twitter or Facebook pass this on.
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Postby Hog Guts » Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:12 pm

I guess the excuse is some folks thought it was cool to have an ar15 pistol... Worthless firearms, not sure why anyone would want one of those jmo


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Re: They are after our ammo..Sign Petition Please

Postby kodiak » Fri Feb 27, 2015 7:51 am

SIGNED and would sign a hundred times over! This is the beginning of an end just like income tax. Let history show you who take this lightly. You don't get back what the govt. takes. PLEASE sign it even if you don't own guns or ammo
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Postby Comanche-pup » Fri Feb 27, 2015 8:57 am

Amen Kodiak, laws get put in place but never removed, funny how that works…


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Postby JD » Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:08 pm

And in reality, if i was gonna get shot, I'd hope it was with M855 stuff. Much less damage than with most bullets........ go figure.

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Postby junglecat » Fri Feb 27, 2015 7:07 pm

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Postby AirRanger » Fri Feb 27, 2015 7:34 pm

[quote="Hog Guts"]I guess the excuse is some folks thought it was cool to have an ar15 pistol... Worthless firearms, not sure why anyone would want one of those jmo


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Please don't look at it that way. What you may see as worthless may not be to others. As a gun owners, we need to support the cause. AR pistols are decent near substitute for those who don't wish to deal with cost , red tape, and regulations of having a SBR. If a ban were to be placed against car motor airboat ,I as an AC airboat owners would oppose it just the same.
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