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Running on dry ground

Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 3:55 pm
by moonboy
I'm new to air boats and need some advise. I have a 2006 diamondback with a 425 hp levitator. The boat is 8'x15'. It has full deck in front and both sides 4 boxes 2 live wells the whole ball of wax, trolling motor ect. I set the rpm,s @ 5000 but the boat will not run on dry ground worth a darn. Two people can push it and get it started toward the water and it will go but sometimes get stuck. I have to use electric winch to load. once in water it goes like crazy. Am I expecting to much or should this boat run on dry ground. This is a beautiful boat and cost a load but i'm disapointed with performance out of the water. Thanks for all advice John :(

Re: Running on dry ground

Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 4:02 pm
by goldhunter_2
first off welcome to the site !

if you post your location sometimes it is easier to have someone meet you on the marsh one day and give you some ideas

with that said some info would also be helpful , what prop, what ratio reduction or are you running DD? form what info you did provide it sounds like more of a heavy water boat weight is a big issue with airboat

Re: Running on dry ground

Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 4:02 pm
by plumcrazy
sounds like your average carboat :D just foolin more like wt to horse power ratio . them big heavy one need alot of ponys

Re: Running on dry ground

Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 4:28 pm
by moonboy
goldhunter_2 wrote:first off welcome to the site !

if you post your location sometimes it is easier to have someone meet you on the marsh one day and give you some ideas

with that said some info would also be helpful , what prop, what ratio reduction or are you running DD? form what info you did provide it sounds like more of a heavy water boat weight is a big issue with airboat
I'm in central oklahoma on the cimarron river lot of dry sand. The prop is composit 3 blade ext wide,CH 3 2.3 to 1 w/blk hawk belt

Re: Running on dry ground

Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 4:45 pm
by Whitebear
I seismic work we had 454 425 HP engines driving a CH3 redrive and wood props. The hulls were HEAVY 16 foot Robicheaux and that combination would run dry ground for hours. We carried 45 gallons of fuel plus 2 six gallon gas cans, 2 people and maybe 800 to 1,000 pounds of copper cables, plus our lunch and drinks. Yes we had a sprayer but only needed it once in a long while. Your boat should damn near jump on the trailer. Should have no trouble stopping and starting with 3-4 people and full gas and coolers and fishing gear. No trouble at all.

Start by making sure your bottom is flat, no lengthwise cups in it. Get someone out there that knows boats to help you do some weight shifting and check the angle of the engine. That thing should be a terror.

Scotty

Re: Running on dry ground

Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 4:57 pm
by moonboy
[quote="Whitebear"]I seismic work we had 454 425 HP engines driving a CH3 redrive and wood props. The hulls were HEAVY 16 foot Robicheaux and that combination would run dry ground for hours. We carried 45 gallons of fuel plus 2 six gallon gas cans, 2 people and maybe 800 to 1,000 pounds of copper cables, plus our lunch and drinks. Yes we had a sprayer but only needed it once in a long while. Your boat should damn near jump on the trailer. Should have no trouble stopping and starting with 3-4 people and full gas and coolers and fishing gear. No trouble at all.

Start by making sure your bottom is flat, no lengthwise cups in it. Get someone out there that knows boats to help you do some weight shifting and check the angle of the engine. That thing should be a terror.

Thanks whitebear it helps to know it should go now i,ll try to find out why i'm having trouble. John

Re: Running on dry ground

Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 5:00 pm
by Tony480
WHITEBEAR,YOU MUST HAVE BEEN IN NAM.CAUSE A BOAT LIKE YOU DESCRIBED RUNNING THE HILL FOR HOURS,YOU MUST STILL BE HIGH.

Re: Running on dry ground

Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 5:06 pm
by Whitebear
I speak the truth. The mans boat like he described should run far better than our seismic boats. Yup I was there (SEA) too.

We ran 35-50 of those seismic boats 6 days a week 12-14 hours a day for 3 years that I was there. They ran exactly as I described.

Scotty

Re: Running on dry ground

Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 5:10 pm
by plumcrazy
oltzimers done took whitebear, 8)

Re: Running on dry ground

Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 5:11 pm
by plumcrazy
or hes really a texan :lol:

Re: Running on dry ground

Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 5:20 pm
by goldhunter_2
Plum
you done let his secret out :lol:

Scotty
I don't believe Ronnie's (Robicheaux) bottom are done the same way as diamondback but it should still break free better

moonboy
plum has it with weight to hp ratio but with a wide three blade and that reduction that carboat still should break free better then that , it sounds like maybe if you do a little tweeting of stuff may help

Re: Running on dry ground

Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 5:22 pm
by Whitebear
Plum, sometimes I think you are right. At least I remember to carry my drivers license so I know who I am. Sometimes I remember to carry it, and then forget I have it with me though. I frequently wonder where the hell I am going and when I get there I can't remember what I wanted to do when I got there. Just this morning I got up early to do somethinhg, but for the life of me I had no clue what. Went back to bed and woke up two hours later thinking I was late, but had no idea where or what I was late for. So I loaded up on the bike and went to Arbys and had some free Roast Beef sandwiches. Was great sitting around trying to remember what we did back in the day Hahahahahah. Some of us actually were able to put it together. I think I was in the NAVY, must have been Subs cause I have the funny little pin on my vest that looks like fishes swimming into a boat. I may have worked in electronics cause I dont seem to be ascared of lektricity. Yup DATS a me !

Scotty

Re: Running on dry ground

Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 5:24 pm
by Tony480
OL WHITEBEAR DONE LOST HIS MIND,THINKING A 16' HULL WITH A 1,000 LBS OF GEAR,2 GUYS,57 GALLONS OF GAS,AND ALL THEIR CRAP,WILL RUN THE HILL FOR HOURS,WITH A WEAK ASS BIG BLOCK AT THAT.LET ME GET SOME OF WHATEVER YOUR SMOKIN! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Running on dry ground

Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 5:33 pm
by Whitebear
Last time, I speak the truth Tony. If you wanna differ, fine, its up to you to prove it never happened. Talk don't get it done. Give Marks Airboats a call and talk with Mark. They built all of our boats. They also know what we put them through. Lots of other companies out there doing exactly the same thing, we were nothing special.

Scotty

Re: Running on dry ground

Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 5:34 pm
by Tony480
YA! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: YOU MUST BE FROM TEXAS,CAUSE YOUR IDEA OF RUNNING THE HILL AND MY IDEA OF RUNNING THE HILL FOR HOURS IM SURE IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT!I AIN'T TALKIN ABOUT SITTING ON SHORE,WITH THE BOAT IDLEING!THAT AIN'T RUNNING THE HILL,THAT'S RUNNING WHILE STOPED ON THE HILL. :lol: :lol:

Re: Running on dry ground

Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 5:39 pm
by Whitebear
OK, I'll leave it there. I have no further interest.

Scotty

Re: Running on dry ground

Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 5:45 pm
by grant
There were some strong carboats doing seismic out there....and they did carry heavy loads and work all day....they did get stuck often and toasted quite a few motors, depending on the terrain they were running. What I saw was after the first dozen or so boats ran the same trail they had it beat down pretty good.

Re: Running on dry ground

Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 5:50 pm
by airduds
Tony480 wrote:WHITEBEAR,YOU MUST HAVE BEEN IN NAM.CAUSE A BOAT LIKE YOU DESCRIBED RUNNING THE HILL FOR HOURS,YOU MUST STILL BE HIGH.
You should be ashamed of this post but I'm sure you aren't.

Why don't you take your hate & discontent somewhere else?

Re: Running on dry ground

Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 5:55 pm
by Whitebear
Grant, we went through a motor every few weeks in our fleet, and 2-3 props in the same time. New guys spent a lot of time stuck. Usually they were the ones who blew motors and props and belts. Some lasted and some didn't. If they learned to run a boat, like they were told, they made it, if they wanted to do it their way, they were gone in short order.

Scotty

Re: Running on dry ground

Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 5:58 pm
by airduds
And help me out here Tony. Just what is your idea of "running the hill"? I mean, we are talking about Florida and not Colorado, right?

Re: Running on dry ground

Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 6:05 pm
by grant
That's the way I saw it....some could and some couldn't. Had a friend that worked with a few crews in southern La and Texas that ran a Stossel with a 540 that was used to run some initial trails in really bad stuff, before the main fleet came....survey??? not sure?? Was collecting eggs in a particularly dry bad bulltongue marsh and saw them deliver a trailer load of 12 volt winches for their fleet one morning :shock:

Re: Running on dry ground

Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 6:16 pm
by Whitebear
Survey crews had it the worst Grant. No trails nothing marked, they had to figure out the rows for the geophones and keep them away from the shot holes. I really really respected the survey guys. For those that dont know its tall grass in dry marshes, deep mud with no bottom and brush and trees for miles n miles. Theres little or no help, your on your own out there, tear it up or make it last. If ya get stuck you better be able to get unstuck. Might get some help at the end of the day if somebody really liked ya.

Lots of folks have no real understanding about working boats compared to pleasure riding. I don't mean working tour boats either. Its like two different worlds. Almost nothing is the same, works the same or lasts the same. Especially when your running another mans equipment and taking his money. Its not for the meek.

Your friends must have been a shure nuff good man with a boat. My hats off to him.

Scotty

Re: Running on dry ground

Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 6:23 pm
by yobee
Ooh central oklahoma! Theres nothing wrong with your boat its where youre running it!! :lol: Just kidding around i lived in okc for a year and a half and boy am i glad to be back in florida! Maybe you should try taking some pitch out of your prop? If you say its roasting the water, then maybe youve just got it pitched too high to break free on the ground? Just tossing out ideas, good luck.

Re: Running on dry ground

Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 6:29 pm
by grant
I always get a chuckle when bad ass airboats are discussed by people that have an option for going thru something and those that have been there and had no option ......must go thru.....you will definately test the boat and the operator!!
Yup...my buddy had a good boat and was a good operator....in 15 years was the only local boater I used every year. Had lots of siesmic rigs that tried, but just weren't equipped for stopping and starting all day. They usually couldn't turn like our small light boats could either.

Re: Running on dry ground

Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 6:40 pm
by JAMES
airduds wrote:
Tony480 wrote:WHITEBEAR,YOU MUST HAVE BEEN IN NAM.CAUSE A BOAT LIKE YOU DESCRIBED RUNNING THE HILL FOR HOURS,YOU MUST STILL BE HIGH.
You should be ashamed of this post but I'm sure you aren't.

Why don't you take your hate & discontent somewhere else?
i agree airduds, your right tony480 always has something to say -neg and thinks his boat is the best hell whitebear tony480 was just a thought running down his daddys leg when u were running them boats seems he has no clue what a carmotor boat will do :D