Stainless steel tie wraps

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Stainless steel tie wraps

Post by scorbin » Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:38 pm

Getting new stainless rigging built with a modified pancake cage. Wire will be hand laid and will be tie wrapped on to rigging, not welded.

I'm getting ready to order the the tie wraps and have several questions:

1. Should I go with 304 or 316 stainless?
2. How any? 50/100/150? The hull is 14x7.5
3. Should I go with .31" wide or .18" wide?


Thanks for any feedback
Dan

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Re: Stainless steel tie wraps

Post by blown480 » Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:46 pm

stainless wraps pricey, 1-2 bucks ea. black nylon ty wraps work well, n cheap , jmo

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Re: Stainless steel tie wraps

Post by scorbin » Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:55 pm

I've found them from $0.35 each (.18x8" 304) to $1.05 each (.31x8" 316)

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Re: Stainless steel tie wraps

Post by mike99705 » Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:25 am

Why would you not weld the wire. TYwraps can move or break. Not saying anything negative just never heard of that before.
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Re: Stainless steel tie wraps

Post by riverboy863 » Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:15 am

:thumbleft: Why not safety wire it with. 025 .032 stainless idk I would have it welded

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Post by cntry141iq » Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:42 am

sheets of welded wire is often used on aluminum cages with stainless straps ... never seen hand laid wire strapped on ...
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Re: Stainless steel tie wraps

Post by scott wheeler » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:23 am

I have used ss tie wraps many times. If you don't buy a good brand they dont want to lock worth a crap, and even then the good ones seem to slip. Once you cut the excess strap off you have a razor blade ready and willing to cut you. I cant get within 10ft of one without getting cut. Just my opinion the plastic (black only) wider ones work much better and are not suseptable to vibration like the steel are. 316 is a much better grade, the others will get surface rust on them. Scott

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Re: Stainless steel tie wraps

Post by Lakerunner » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:35 am

I've been using the industrial grade black plactic tie wraps. The ones on my boat have been on there for 2 years and haven't failed yet. The tree limbs rubbing against the cage have broken a few, but not many at all. I want use anything else. The Wal-Mart grade have plactic clips to lock the tie wraps, stay away from them. Use the ones with the stainless steel inserts and you'll be ok.
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Post by Crown Royal » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:46 am

Mine are black plastic tie wraps looks good and no problems. jmo
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Post by Bubba » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:52 am

mike99705 wrote:Why would you not weld the wire. TYwraps can move or break. Not saying anything negative just never heard of that before.
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Re: Stainless steel tie wraps

Post by skinny99 » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:02 am

mike99705 wrote:Why would you not weld the wire. TYwraps can move or break. Not saying anything negative just never heard of that before.
No matter how good of a job you do welding the wire, you will end up with pieces coming loose and/or breaking.
Whether you use stainless or regular steel the fact that the cage and rigging move around and vibrate so much just
ends up breaking those little welds. When you band the wire on it gives a little bit of give and usually eliminates
that. Most of the guys that have banded have loved it. I know I will be doing it on my next boat.
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Re: Stainless steel tie wraps

Post by scrambletown » Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:57 am

scorbin wrote:Getting new stainless rigging built with a modified pancake cage. Wire will be hand laid and will be tie wrapped on to rigging, not welded.

I'm getting ready to order the the tie wraps and have several questions:

1. Should I go with 304 or 316 stainless?
2. How any? 50/100/150? The hull is 14x7.5
3. Should I go with .31" wide or .18" wide?


Thanks for any feedback
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Re: Stainless steel tie wraps

Post by PeaRiverOpossum » Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:44 am

There is a product that I use on towers that is called wrap lock. It comes with the ratchet tool and everything that you need to install. It is an awesome grade of SS steel. We use it of off shore towers to hold the grating down and the waves dont even knock it off and it does not rust even in salt water. I think it comes in different widths but we use 3/4". Check them out. Im sure you can find them onliine. I have seen it as small as 1/8" wide.

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Re: Stainless steel tie wraps

Post by dusty burch » Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:46 pm

it is a electrical item go to any real electrical supply house and they can get them it takes a special ty wrap gun to pop them off and get them tight all in one step the only bad part is if one does not break off just right it is worse than a razor blade cut so be careful wear glasses and glove trust me on that

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Post by Ruagatr » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:33 pm

No disrespect intended and this is just my experience. Lately i see wire strapped on, tie wrapped, and last weekend actually saw NETTING on top of a cage. Welding the wire makes the cage STRONGER and when you hit something like a tree, or another boat or roll the boat over, the wire helps keep the structure intact. Walk up to a cage with welded wire and shake it, and do the same with a tie wrapped cage. No comparision.

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Re: Stainless steel tie wraps

Post by skinny99 » Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:11 pm

Ruagatr wrote:No disrespect intended and this is just my experience. Lately i see wire strapped on, tie wrapped, and last weekend actually saw NETTING on top of a cage. Welding the wire makes the cage STRONGER and when you hit something like a tree, or another boat or roll the boat over, the wire helps keep the structure intact. Walk p to a cage with welded wire and shake it, and do the same with a tie wrapped cage. no comparision.

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There is no doubt it is stronger. I wouldn't strap it on if I was gonna run in the woods or bushes. I also wouldn't do 4X4 wire for a real
hunt boat. However there is a percentage of airboaters that ride in almost exclusively open areas. It is much less of concern.
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Re: Stainless steel tie wraps

Post by OTTER » Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:38 pm

The ties are essentially reasonable in $$$ --- Its the cost of the tool to strap them on tight - in excess if $300.00 from Grainger.

Lowes and Home Depot have the cheapies that you can put on with vise grips


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Re: Stainless steel tie wraps

Post by scorbin » Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:51 pm

I'm going with power coating on the ss wire and banding to the cage.

Found the a tools range from $99.00 to $200+. Was wondering if a CV joint tool would work?
Something like this: http://www.toolsource.com/joint-banding ... d=googleps
It would be slow going, but I really hate to pay for an expensive tool that I'm only going to use a few times.

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