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Warp drive plates

Post by SthrnStyle3 » Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:25 pm

I'm currently running a 5 blade, but I'm very curious in trying a 4 blade bowtie set up! Now, the idea of making some plates myself, just to try out what the 4 blade setup will do on my boat did cross my mind.. Even if the plates are just a simple circle. Then I came across these questions: 1.) Do they use regular aluminum or something like aircraft grade? 2.) Aluminum can be a pain cutting due to it clogging up blades, so I would need to find an effective way to cut my shape. 3.) I would obviously have to find a way to balance the plates once finished. Has anyone made their own? Is it worth it? I'm not really looking to spend alot buying ones already made just to try something out, that I may or may not like. I have no problem spending very little and investing time to try an idea. Any opinions? What I'm hoping to find out by trying the 4 blades is: how much pitch will I gain by losing a blade. How much performance would I get from the four blade simulating a 2 blade. The performance difference between all 4 blades having the same pitch vs. staggered pitch. If I like the 4blade setup, down the road I may go with the new sabors or razors. That's the plan anyway!
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Re: Warp drive plates

Post by Gangreen » Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:42 pm

The staggered setup looks like a wide blade from the side view. I'm sure that plates can be built from 1/4 inch aluminum plate. Your welcome to look at my plates as I have them off of the boat right now. It would give you an idea on how to stagger it. Pm me.

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Re: Warp drive plates

Post by SthrnStyle3 » Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:02 pm

Thanks, I appreciate it but I meant the pitch is staggered not the blades. For example, the leading blade will have like 7*, while the trailing blade will have 9*. The blades themselves won't be staggered or "stacked". I was thinking the same thing about using 1/4 inch plate, just wondering if they use aircraft aluminum or not. I have a few ideas on how the design will look. I can draw it up on Autocad if need be.
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Re: Warp drive plates

Post by midnight rider » Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:57 am

They can be made. I have a set that a friend of mine used to make his own. Btw I have a set for sale in the classifieds.

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Re: Warp drive plates

Post by NASTYCRACKER » Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:23 am

U can buy them from warp drive for $150 brand new with bolts

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Re: Warp drive plates

Post by midnight rider » Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:29 am

You can buy the Bowtie?

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Re: Warp drive plates

Post by Stewie » Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:39 am

Warp drive don't sell the bowtie plates I was on the phone with them a few days ago they only have the six blade plates to run a bowtie. Then you can cut the remaining of the plates off just for looks. My brother runs 4 blade bow tie on his 220 and i was very impressed the way it runs a lot quieter acts like a paddle prop.warp drive will trade plates also just pay for shipping I'm going to trade my five blade plates For six blade and run bowtie and gain a spare blade! :florida: :rebel:
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Re: Warp drive plates

Post by midnight rider » Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:41 am

That's what I thought. Didn't think they could be bought, only made.

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Re: Warp drive plates

Post by SthrnStyle3 » Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:55 am

Midnight rider, what aluminum did your buddy use (grade and thickness)? Also was there any special way he cut it? If you could, can you pm the price you're asking for? Thanks
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Re: Warp drive plates

Post by midnight rider » Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:09 am

Yea no prob. I'll call him and ask what he used.

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Re: Warp drive plates

Post by SthrnStyle3 » Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:17 am

Alright thanks, I'd really appreciate it.
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Re: Warp drive plates

Post by midnight rider » Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:17 am

1/4" and 3/8" 6061.

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Re: Warp drive plates

Post by SthrnStyle3 » Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:59 am

That's what I needed to know :thumbleft: thanks.
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Re: Warp drive plates

Post by SthrnStyle3 » Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:51 am

Lets see if these pics post.. They're saved as pdf files, it's the only way I know how to get them to show up. The pictures came out vertical instead of horizontal but you can rotate them. This first pic is a 4-blade setup (NOT TO SCALE) with 60* between blades, curved plates and adjustable by 2 inches in total diameter (ex: 68"-70"). I'm concerned that cutting the curves may be difficult.. :dontknow:
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Re: Warp drive plates

Post by SthrnStyle3 » Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:53 am

This one was just trying different ideas... It's also adjustable by 2" in diameter. Not sure how it would do..
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Re: Warp drive plates

Post by SthrnStyle3 » Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:01 am

This final one would seem to me to be the easiest to cut (all straight lines :lol: ). I can make it adjustable too but didn't bother drawing it in. This one has 30* separation between blades and if you notice, the center of the blades don't line up with the center of the hub. When drawn to scale, it may not be this way, idk. It all depends on the length of the blades themselves. I had to draw it like this to keep the blades from being too short. Out of ALL of these, WHICH one do y'all think would perform the best and be the easiest to cut out..?
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Re: Warp drive plates

Post by tom-tom 863 » Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:50 am

SthrnStyle3 wrote:This one was just trying different ideas... It's also adjustable by 2" in diameter. Not sure how it would do..
id be interested in seeing this come to life. not sure how it would perform. blades may be too close together and effect eachother in weird ways. but it may perform more like a wide blade.
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Re: Warp drive plates

Post by yobee » Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:06 am

Josh I've got a shear and plasma cutters to help the process if you want to go at it one weekend. Don't keep aluminum handy though.
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Re: Warp drive plates

Post by Dirt Cheap » Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:37 am

trying this one this weekend at loughmans on a 125 lyc
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Re: Warp drive plates

Post by SthrnStyle3 » Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:07 am

Tom-Tom I was thinking the same thing. I wasn't going to post that pic at first.. But, I would think for that one to work, there would probably have to be a larger pitch difference between the blades, rather than your standard 2*.

Yobee I'll probably have to take you up on that! Right now I'm only looking at a jigsaw or a bandsaw, if I change the blade out to something that may halfway work. Honestly, I'm not brave enough to try a hand held skill saw (love my fingers too much :thefinger: lol) and I tried a table router and it really likes to kick and throw it back at ya...

Dirt cheap, do you know the degree separation between those blades?? I'd really like to know.. I can't decide if I want to go 60*, 45* or 30*. I'm leaning toward 30.

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Re: Warp drive plates

Post by Dirt Cheap » Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:26 am

45 degrees between blades
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Re: Warp drive plates

Post by SthrnStyle3 » Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:16 pm

Thanks! Went I get exact measurements, I'll see how it'll work with 30*. What did you use to cut yours out with?
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Re: Warp drive plates

Post by GeeLeDouche » Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:17 am

tag for updates. great thread! thanks for posting guys!


Ps- someone could probably make some decent coin if they produced these and sold them at a reasonable price.. (I know I would be interested in one..)
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Re: Warp drive plates

Post by Dirt Cheap » Fri Apr 05, 2013 7:43 am

cut on a water jet

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Re: Warp drive plates

Post by SthrnStyle3 » Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:55 pm

Haha dirt cheap, no wonder yours looks so good..

No problem Gee! I just like trying to make some things myself, so that way it turns out how I want it. If it doesn't work, the only one to blame is myself. If it turns out good, I can say I built it. If I end up doing most of it by hand, I may just say screw this...never again!
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