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3A closed again

Postby 460 FULLTRACK » Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:31 pm

Just to let everyone know, 3A is closed again due to high water. 2A is still open and the southeast section of 3A south, Holiday Park area, will stay open.

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Re: 3A closed again

Postby PJC » Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:37 pm

Of course they’ll keep holiday park open with water in the parking lot, they don’t want the county to miss out on any tour boat money

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Postby lilly-Pad » Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:54 pm

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Re: 3A closed again

Postby Scotty1 » Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:55 pm

:rebel: WILL SOME ONE POST THE SITE FOR THIS BAD NEWS :rebel:

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Postby kwanjangnihm » Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:45 am

from my 3a cellular game cam yesterday - sorry Scotty :(

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Re: 3A closed again

Postby Scotty1 » Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:02 am

:rebel: Kwan that would almost be funny if the real situation wasn't so different, the fact that you can spend a week in the glades an not see one deer is pitiful. I know in the res, that they don't let us hunt in there very often so you would think that the game should be plentiful, but that is not the case. And as far as this closure crap 3A SOUTH SHOULD NOT BE CLOSED the water level over there was not high at all and it was dropping this is total BULL SH-T. FWC ONLY MONITORS THE NORTH SIDE LEVEE 5 where there may be some game, but the south side is a hole different situation. This crap of closing down the glades accept for areas that benefit the county is TOTAL HORSE SH-T I hope the res, don't follow but they always do we had this discussion at the Miccosukee meeting so we will see if they listen or not, I bet they did not :rebel: :slap: :slap: STILL WAITING ON THE BAD NEWS SITE INFO

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Re: 3A closed again

Postby Scotty1 » Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:25 am

:rebel: ACCORDING TO EDEN 14 GAUGE SITE IN 3A SOUTH THE WATER HAS NOT EVEN CAME UP A FOOT SINCE DRY TILL TODAY :dontknow: WTF IS UP :rebel: I see where they closed some of 2a but don't see nothing on 3a

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Re: 3A closed again

Postby rockyd » Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:43 am

Is all of 3A South still open?

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Postby 460 FULLTRACK » Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:33 am

Here's the executive order
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Postby Scotty1 » Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:21 am

:rebel: THEY SUCK THE NORTH SHOULD HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SOUTH ONCE AGAIN HISTORY KEEPS REPEATING ITS SELF :rebel: :cheers: :stirpot:

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Re: 3A closed again

Postby Scotty1 » Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:18 am

:rebel: ladyblackwater I hate to disagree with you but I do there are not that many deer on the south side and if you would check the water elevation over there you would see that it is no where near closing level. this is all on F.W.C. they just up and close areas that are not in any danger for what few deer there are and they just keep the areas open for the tour companys to run so the county and state can get paid. THE 3A SOUTH SIDE IS NOT TO HIGH PERIOD :rebel:

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Re: 3A closed again

Postby Andy » Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:53 pm

I see your signature says you were in Naples for 48 years, So this is nothing new to you they dont want us out there in a Airboat or Buggy.. Sadly what we know as a way of life is slowly being taken away. I'm sure you can remember when you could run from 41 to the saltwater, or you could ride your Buggy on every prairie in Turner River.Slowly but surely they are stopping it.

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Postby Scotty1 » Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:10 pm

:rebel: Andy yes I was born in Naples and my son and daughter still do live there in late 2005 ,I decided their were way to many people living there and most did not speak English .So it was time for me to go plus that was when the real estate was on fire and yes I hunted Turner River , Deep lake on foot , Bear Island, stair steps, loop road cant rely say I miss it got more deer in my back yard then I will ever need. YES I would have to agree with you and ladyblackwater but I still say that the F.W.C. is the ones that close everything and base all there closures on 2 gauge readings on the north side and then they leave certain areas open for the airboat tours. which is BULLSH-T 3B AND PROBABLY THE AREA IN 2A THEY LEFT OPEN I GUARENTEE YOU IS DEEPER THEN 3A SOUTH AND THE RES,: :rebel: :slap: :violent1:

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Postby Scotty1 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:02 am

:rebel: So you are trying to tell me that these two areas are not where the airboat tours usually run , like Holiday Park and I am not sure but believe that I have read that you run airboat tours your self I believe and if so these are not the area you run out of either. Sir i have never met you but I know for sure that tours run out of 2a and holiday park runs in both open areas so I would have to call foul or BULL SH-T on that's not the reason these areas are left open :rebel: :scratch: :thumbleft: Why else would they do it they sure don't care about the individual air boaters obviously and the north side readings should have nothing to do with the south side check those gauges to close that areas .I check the gauges yesterday and I was there a week ago for a week and the water was perfect and dropped 1 1/2 inches while I was there gauges were 1.10 and 1.43 above minimum ground level

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Postby Gary S » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:26 am

I have frogged many nights in 3A up in the cypress, The last two years I have not seen a single deer, both when water was high and when it is low.
I think we have some animal rights people in charge and they look for a reason to shut it down. They find deer on the levy at night and decide to shut down the glades. Personally I don't run my boat down the levy. The trees are so tall beside the levy on L 28 you can't see it most of the time. The few deer there are out there and the traffic they see is minimal.
The real problem we have is Everglades National park, They will not let water management release water because of the Cape Sable seaside sparrow, that is now nesting in a area that used to be flooded but is now dry. For years they were screaming to restore water flow and now that we can the Park won't allow the release of the water. So they are willing to drown all animals outside the park to accommodate the sea side sparrow.
Not to mention less people in the glade means less eyes to see a python that might be removed.

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Postby Scotty1 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:40 am

:rebel: I am with you GARY we pay these peoples salary so they can keep us off of land that the state owns ,well as far as I am concerned the people are the state so how can they tell us that we cant go on land we bought. :rebel: :scratch: :banghead:

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Postby Scotty1 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:48 am

:rebel: Not to mention the Millions or Billions of dollars it has cost us to keep this crap from not happening ,the pump stations ,canals, bridges , spill ways,etc and it still does not work :rebel: :x :x

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Re: 3A closed again

Postby hdsadey » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:34 am

I think what Scotty is referring to has to do with Tourism dollars! I'm sure whoever makes the decision to close certain areas has a higher up they have to check with and answer to. Close down the tour boats and tourists no longer come and spend money! One thing affects another. The local government probably screams at the state level behind closed doors when their income stream dries up. Easiest way for the majority to swallow government reg is for a noble cause i.e. wildlife conservation! Airboats do a lot less harm then all these high rises and planned communities overtaking Florida. We on the west coast are experiencing a boom that is displacing wildlife on epic proportions. They are forcing the animals out and into one place. If you look at old maps from the 40s the Everglades extended as far up the west coast to Charlotte Harbor and east to Jupiter. Now it's east of Naples and west of Miami. Those animals don't know any better. We have scrub jays here and designated scrub jay lots that are demned unbuildable but the surrounding lots have houses on them. Not sure the scrub jays understand their boundaries. THE PROBLEM IS IMHO IS THERE ARE TOO MANY DAMN PEOPLE MOVING TO FLORIDA AND OUR WAY OF LIFE WILL CONTINUE TO SUFFER DUE TO THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR!
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Postby Scotty1 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:35 am

:rebel: lady Blackwater you pay taxes so they are making money,as far as arguing I am not arguing just disagreeing with you.To tell the truth I'm not even agry I have come to expect this.I am just saying it is totally Bull sh t ,we will just have to go to Kissimmee I have access to a camp there also , But it is wrong :rebel:

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Postby Scotty1 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:38 am

Scotty1 wrote::rebel: lady Blackwater you pay taxes so they are making money,as far as arguing I am not arguing just disagreeing with you.To tell the truth I'm not even agry I have come to expect this.I am just saying it is totally Bull sh t ,we will just have to go to Kissimmee I have access to a camp there also , But it is wrong :rebel:

And as far as it being 3 feet deep well then they will have no excuse to close it

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Re: 3A closed again

Postby Duece » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:34 am

I posted gauge data from down near the dogleg in the Microwave Tower canal in the gallery, but everytime I click on it it asks me if I want to delete it. Anyhow, the water in that part of the glades is only 1.2' above natural ground. I'd say that's probably about normal to slightly below normal.

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Re: 3A closed again

Postby 460 FULLTRACK » Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:56 pm

Just to interject. Years back when the area was closed it was all of 3A south. We sportsmen asked that the portion that is open now to remain open since there was no appreciable deer population in the area. It gave people the ability to still ride if they wanted, although not their preferred areas. FWC staff agreed and since then when a closure is announced in 3A South, that area stays open. It had nothing to do with tour companies. I know this as fact since I'm the one who asked for it. As far as the water in 3a South, it will be coming up and if you look at what is coming into the area as opposed to what is going out, you will see that again we have a high water event. We all know the water flows south and then stacks up against the L-29. As a previous post explained, the Cape Seaside sparrow is the reason for the S-12s to be closed for now. And the water has to meet quality standards also. There are a few projects that are close to being completed that will move more water south, but until they are done we are stuck with what we have now. I have been engaged with these various projects for years to make sure that we sportsmen aren't affected too drastically. Unfortunately, most folks sit around until they are personally affected and then want to scream and yell about the issue. Join a club, go to a meeting, or write your congressman about the problem. Right now we are have spoken to the congressmen that represent the district in which Area 3 sits about this high water problem. We need more sportsmen to step up and write an e-mail to Carlos Curbelo and Mario Diaz-Balart about this event and any other issues you have with the Everglades. That's all, I'm off my soapbox.

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Postby Scotty1 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:17 pm

:rebel: That is exactly what I have been saying DEUCE there is no problem in 3a south so why is it closed ,(BUT YOU CANT TELL F.W.C. THAT) so we will ride with the flow until they decide to open it back up which will maybe be NOVEMBER or DECEMBER JUST ANOTHER STUPID RULE OR LAW and that is my final word on this subject :rebel: WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS NOT NOW AND YOU CANT FIX STUPIDITY
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Re: 3A closed again

Postby Rich Andrews » Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:22 pm

And yet John, when you go to Carlos Curbelo's contact page, you are required to place your zip code, if you are out of district he does not accept emails.

Same for Mario Diaz.. total BS

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Re: 3A closed again

Postby Rich Andrews » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:46 pm

Please, FWC does not manage a turd in a toilet nevertheless a deer. If you are going to let them off the hook(f) and pass the buck to water management ladyblack your're no better than they are. If an agency is tasked with managing an animal then water should be prioritized the same as the gawd dammned sparrow in ENP water criteria
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