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My new to me 12' Thurman is in need of a better prop. I've run a 72" 5 blade RazorX and found that the combination doesn't work that well; engine had to run too hard to keep moving. Cage is an original Wayne Cone expanded metal on the sides, open on top. I believe it's the expanded metal since the RPMs were well within range. I still had my 72" Excalibur but still not getting much satisfaction. After talking to several people, the general consensus is to go with a 2 blade with the NGQ getting the most nods. Before slapping down $2,400 for yet another prop, open to hearing your recommendations. Not interested in Water Walker.
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diggin which engine are you running on the Thurman?
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SV540, 10:1, 290 cam
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Several friends with straight valve 0540s and 0360s swear by the NGQ compared to both whirlwinds and other sensenich props they had before. I run a gearbox car motor boat but if I had an aircraft boat I’d have an NGQ.
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NGQ is the way to go.
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:thumbleft: on the NGQ, it's a pushing prop. It won't have the top end like that Razor, but it pushes at all speeds, idle and up.

I owned a 72" Q on a SV540 originally. I swapped to the NGQ and found significant improvement at lower speeds and call it even on the top end. My AV540 came with a 72" Whisper Tip, I ran it for a while and the boat ran great. Swapped over the NGQ and got the same result, much better low end and similar top end. The NGQ makes the most of the torque range of a 540 for sure. My son is now running the WT on the SV540 and wishing he had a spare $2,400.

I run the 74" with the winglets cut off, making it a 72". When I initially installed it, I set it on the same pitch as the Q that came off. I got exactly the same RPM, 2,800 on #2. Darren recommended the setup for running heavy brush. He said the primary purpose of the winglets is to decrease the sound signature, with limited impact on performance, but they do tend to pull in more brush, which wears, cracks, breaks the winglets eventually.

If you have the room, I recommend you run a 74", unless you are aiming for a top end past 60.
I still think I-10 is the Mason Dixon line.
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Had a NGQ on a pretty stout 520 and it really pushed great. It did seem to lay over on the top end but push on the hill and cruising was excellent
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I put a 74" NGQ on Barefoot Betty, "Betty Osceola's" AV 540, Fenner hull #1, pushes great and quiet, I put a 74" Whirlwind Whispertip on Zilla, #4 Fenner hull with a 10:1-220/520 AV much more impressed with it's performance vs the Q.
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I have owned Q , NGH , NGQ , JM on my boats. The NGQ at 12" wide definitely had some low end grunt and ran great . That being said , the JM at 11" wide performed great as well , you also get the new style lockable hub and you will save about $400 .
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Finally getting around to a follow-up. I laid down the Benjamins for a 72 inch NGQ and I have to say, hands down the best prop I've run. Between my two aircraft boats (both of which ran the same SV540), I've run an Excalibur, 6 blade Warp, 6 blade Saber, 5 Blade RazorX and now the NGQ. All of them 72 inches. The Saber was probably too much prop so while I like it for it's incredible smoothness, I don't believe I got to experience all it had to offer. I bought the RazorX after I had run the Saber and followed others advice and got a 5 blade. I have to admit, I loved that prop but it just didn't work well with my current setup. The original prop I ran was the Excalibur, which I loved until I didn't. It had great push, cruise was excellent and I could run over 70 top end (GPS). The Warp was also a loaner, as was the Saber, when I didn't love the Excalibur anymore and while it had nice low speed characteristics (super smooth and quiet), I just couldn't deal with the high speed whine. When I put the Thurman in the water, I gave the Excalibur another chance after I realized the RazorX wasn't going to work for me but there was still something missing, not to mention some lingering doubts about my application. I called Darrin at Sensenich and asked him about what prop he would recommend and he pushed me towards the NGQ. I have friends that run that prop and I've never heard anything negative. I ordered the prop from Tom Schmidt and he called me about about three weeks ago to tell me the prop was in. I was actually getting the boat ready to head to KCOL for a quick weekend trip and almost put off the installation until the following week but decided, what the heck. Tom's guys did a quick job of installing and pitching the prop and off we went. I liked the way it performed but didn't really push the envelope too much so didn't make up my mind one way or another. This past weekend, we ran the boat Friday, Saturday and Sunday, burning nearly 60 gallons running everything from dry to a two foot chop. I can honestly say the NGQ, at least for my setup, is the perfect do-everything prop. Great push, very economical cruise (we averaged close to 4 mpg), awesome acceleration and more top end than this old man needs. Some things are just timeless and I'm going to bet the NGQ will be one of them. Glad I got one before Sensenich takes it off the menu! Thank you Darrin!
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:thumbleft: :thumbleft: :thumbleft:
Glad to hear the result and agreement with the hive, just try and find a used NGQ for sale. That's quite a list of props to compare against, just add a few 2 blades to the mix and it is complete. As a starter, I have a 72" WT you could borrow, I am hoping someone borrows it and runs a pocket knife through it. Under you break it you bought it rules, that puts me 3/4 of the way to another NGQ :cheers:

Just one question, when and why did you stop loving the Excalibur? You left me hanging on that one :scratch:
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The original prop I ran was the Excalibur, which I loved until I didn't. It had great push, cruise was excellent and I could run over 70 top end (GPS).
I still think I-10 is the Mason Dixon line.
2013 Mike Stossel Boats, 13' x 7' deck over, IO-540, 74" NGQ less winglets.
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Slidin Gator wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:13 pm
Just one question, when and why did you stop loving the Excalibur? You left me hanging on that one :scratch:
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I know its too late now but keep in mind that the 72" JM works great . I put it right there with the NGQ. The pro's to the JM is its 11" Wide , Lighter , 11" Wide ( NGQ is 12" Wide ) and the JM is about $400 bucks cheaper than the NGQ. Also the JM comes with the lockable Hub. The winglets will need to be removed in about a year especially with a Decked boat, they will take a beating .
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